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dolphins3 t1_ismvbbb wrote

Reply to comment by distractionfactory in Gates Foundation pledges $1.2B to eradicate polio globally by JediMasterBuddha

Antivaxxers have fucked up the last several containments of polio. It's even reemerged in the US: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/why-polio-has-reemerged-and-how-to-stay-safe-experts-advise

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ulf5576 t1_isnafur wrote

they only found strains contained in the polio vaccine in sewage water , but no polio could be confirmed in humans .. the few rare cases every few years all have their polio from the vaccine though ..

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fatbob42 t1_isnb0og wrote

There are still some wild cases (worldwide) but, (at least a few years ago) there were more vaccine-derived cases, which was why they were switching vaccines to the more expensive one.

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Coldovia t1_iso0s6m wrote

Wrong, a case was found in Rockland County NY USA a few months ago. In a person.

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NathamelCamel t1_isnqe6y wrote

Are you talking just about the western world because it's still a problem in parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan due to lack of vaccination

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St3vion t1_isnzojz wrote

The inactivated vaccine version can mutate to become active again and infect those with weak immunity, ie the unvaxxed...

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AnonymousWritings t1_iso6gsw wrote

TBH, the CIA fucked it up by running a fake vaccination program for hepatitis in Pakistan as a scheme to find Bin Laden. Ruined people's trust over there that foreign medical workers are actually there to help, contributed a lot to the local antivax stuff.

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v12go-vroom t1_iszmi9a wrote

So it wasn’t “antivax stuff” it was actually real loss of trust based on lies and fraud? Not “antivax StUFF”.

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AnonymousWritings t1_it02kpx wrote

Well yes, antivax stuff based on a real incident of badly mishandled trust from lies and fraud.

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v12go-vroom t1_it04jmn wrote

People are not anti-VAX, they are anti-lies and corruption.

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v12go-vroom t1_it042vl wrote

The phrase “anti-VAX stuff” implies that people who are anti-VAX have no leg to stand on in terms of arguments when in reality they have a lot of prior precedence to stand on.

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fatbob42 t1_isnb5l1 wrote

The US fucked it up in Afghanistan as well by using the vaccination campaign to collect DNA from Bin Laden’s house. It’ll take decades to live that down.

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[deleted] t1_isnn8bs wrote

Are those the same anti vaxxers that questioned covid vaccine effacy long before the Pfizer ceo admitted they actually had no idea wether the vaccine stopped transmission ?

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sei556 t1_iso5h2l wrote

I see this argument so often recently and as someone from germany, I am so confused.

Around here it was pretty much said everywhere that the vaccine does not stop transmission. It was also said by scientists on TV that it doesn't stop you from getting it either, it will only make you have milder symptoms and saves you from the hospital in most cases.

Which, if you remember back, was a huge issue because hospitals were filled up to the brim.

People here still got vaccinated - because it was (and still is) a reasonable thing to do.

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dolphins3 t1_isoi709 wrote

Unfortunately, antivax has been mainstreamed in US society as a GOP political position. Trump wanted Covid to just go away and not deal with it, so he promoted all the "Covid isn't a big deal" people and quack cures, and antivaxxers along with it.

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Rodereck t1_isq6awe wrote

Hhhmm yet what Trump said is how we treat covid currently??? Funny how something we treated as a pandemic is now being treated as a seasonal cold cause the thing they promised to help stop it was such a shiit product it made things worse...Two weeks to flatten the curve lols!

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dolphins3 t1_isqie3o wrote

>Funny how something we treated as a pandemic is now being treated as a seasonal cold cause the thing they promised to help stop it was such a shiit product it made things worse...

Oh wow an antivaxxer in the wild

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Rodereck t1_isqw6pc wrote

I apologize vaxer I didn't mean to startle you I hope u don't have a heart attack =(

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Carighan t1_isps9lu wrote

Yeah exactly. For the first few mutations we thought we could prevent it entirely (and I'm not sure but I think we can actually?), but that was quickly clear it won't work for later variants.

And yeah, you get vaccinated. I mean it's free, every little bit helps other people around you and frankly it's not a big deal. It's just a vaccine. People can be so weird about such mundane things.

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Rodereck t1_isq5xd0 wrote

It an issue when almost everything our government has told us about the vaccines turned out to not be true, idk if u like your leadership lying to you but it's a slippery slope and it's doesn't take rocket science to see they're lying to hide their motives...

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slutgenius t1_isqb24s wrote

Bullshit, sure they had some clarity issues and fumbled a few things, but TRE45ON, really phucked this country without a kiss with his blatant malfeasance.

We needed strong intelligent leadership and we got the Orange Blob, who is SOFA KING repulsive, he lost a fair election to Biden, the embodiment of wet white bread.

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Rodereck t1_isqbgy5 wrote

Huhhh ??? nobody even mentioned trump and Biden is just a paid actor that can't read his lines half the time lols...

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slutgenius t1_isqc3md wrote

You said our government lied, and then placed nebulous blame.

I narrowed it down to the source. TRE45ON

It was one man that led us down the path where we couldn't even respond properly.

Even when he was warned over and over by our own Pentagon.

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Rodereck t1_isqcdvp wrote

I'm not crazy for Trump but what did he have to do with our government lying to us about soo many things in the past 2 years lmao???

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slutgenius t1_isqcpag wrote

tRumpo dismantled the Pandemic response team, ignored our own vital intel, lied/denied there was an issue and then touted un-proven/unsafe remedies. He also ignored the pandemic playbook that was left by Obama. Obama successfully fought and won against 3 pandemics. Trump IGNORED the pandemic response playbook.

He also failed to protect Americans when it was finally admitted and when states were taking action he fomented discord among his cultists. i.e Michigan.

We were a leaderless nation at the worst time.

It not a hard dot to connect.

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Rodereck t1_isqdmyp wrote

You know when Trump was in office he was working with the medical companies to get the vaccine released faster and liberals were all saying that they would never trust a vaccine promoted by the Trump administration then months later when the Biden administration was put into office those same hypocrites were first in line to get the very vaccines that Trump was trying to endorse lmao. Like I said I'm not Trump fan but the hypocrisy some ppl say is absolutely disgusting especially when nobody even brought him up in the first place lols. But regardless of how much u hate Trump he had nothing to do with the hundreds of lies the current administration has been telling us for the past 2 years which we now know most of it turned out to be untrue and the divide this administration has put on our country and practically started a persecution that cost millions of Americans their livelihood all so they can fatten their pockets...

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Rodereck t1_isqf3r9 wrote

Bruh I don't even know how your trying to turn it into a Trump thing from what I said. Honestly you sound pretty obsessed with your Trump hate club and I'm not here to talk about that, u can rage about it in your anti Trumo clubs but I don't want any part in that lols and the reason I didn't list all the lies out administration has told us over the years is because there's soo many but u can continue to be in denial about that too. Trump isn't the reason everything is bad in the country and I suggest u seek counseling lols...

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sei556 t1_iss8xh2 wrote

I've just read the official covid preparedness plan of your gov. It was released in march (?) this year and already truthfully talks about the vaccine (that its cause is to stop hospitalizations and death, not transmission).

I bet if I dig deeper I'll find earlier dates with that info to, just how they were honest about it here aswell.

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Rodereck t1_iss94n8 wrote

So I take it you're not American if you had to read into that and didn't personally experience all the hypocrisy and things that were said lols

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sei556 t1_issa0wy wrote

Yes, I'm not. But it's literally explained in an article on your goverment website which is from march. And back then nobody complained about this Statement, its only now where the narrative is pushed that this is new information.

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Rodereck t1_issascz wrote

I'm clearly not talking about a covid preparedness plan that was supposedly updated in March. If you haven't seen the hypocrisy and lies our government has told everyone in the past 2 years by now then you choose to ignore it or probably only watch uncredible news stations like CNN. The fact that ppl can still defend these organizations despite the bombshells that have been released is baffling to say the least...

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sei556 t1_issctof wrote

Well this thread was talking about the covid vaccine, so it only makes sense to mention it.

What other lies and hypocrisy you mean? Care to elaborate?

Also, no, I never watched CNN (except for that one time during the election because it had better covering than our tv stations).

Our neutral TV stations actually do cover the US quite a bit every once in a while since you are a big international player and your politics are important to us aswell.

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Rodereck t1_issdxkj wrote

Actually this thread was talking about Bill gates pushing "his" polio vaccines on other countries. You want an example ok well here's just one of the many lies that we're told. Initially in the beginning of the pandemic our government was spreading mass "Misinformation " saying that if you were to get the covid vaccine you couldn't get covid, then when we found out that was a lie the new lie became you can't spread it if your vaccinated then when we found out that was a lie the current lie is it'll stop severe hospitalizations. There's been many other things we found out weren't true that our own government had been spreading and having ppl believe but when these organizations spread "Misinformation " there's no one to hold them accountable for it... Also I don't know what country you are from but I highly doubt your news station are unbiased about the news they air.

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sei556 t1_isslemo wrote

Can you actually link any speech where this was said? That the vaccine prevents you from getting it. Because if so that's pretty rough

Actually every citizen here has to pay a monthly fee to fund unbiased news. Of course, if something objectively bad happens, they report it as something bad - but overall they just report what factually happaned/was said.

It's inherintly boring to watch but a good source of information on what's going on.

I made some research, and here are some official statements regarding the covid vaccine in the past 3 years that were publicly available in the US (and also directed at US citizen)

The TLDR is:

There was very little missinformation at the beginning which was INSTANTLY reacted to by scientists and health departments.

(Edit: added quotations)

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Dec. 21.2021

Biden

>If you are not fully vaccinated, you have good reason to be concerned. You’re at a high risk of getting sick. And if you get sick, you’re likely to spread it to others, including friends and family. And the unvaccinated have a significantly higher risk of ending up in a hospital or even dying.
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>Almost everyone who has died from COVID-19 in the past many months has been unvaccinated. Unvaccinated.
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>But if you’re among the majority of Americans who are fully vaccinated, and especially if you’ve gotten the booster shot — that third shot — you’re much — you have much, much less reason to worry. You have a high degree of protection against severe illness.
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>And because Omicron spreads so easily, we’ll see some fully vaccinated people get COVID, potentially in large numbers. There will be positive cases in every office, even here in the White House, among the unv- — among the vaccinated — among the vaccinated — from Omicron.
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>But these cases are highly unlikely to lead to serious illness.
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>Vaccinated people who get COVID may get ill, but they’re protected from severe illness and death. That’s why you should still remain vigilant.

I agree that the first sentence may lead to misinformation. Not sure if it's just poor wording, but I get how that one was misleading. Overall, he makes pretty clear that the vaccine does not save you from getting sick though.

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Sep 09. 2021

Biden

>I want to emphasize that the vaccines provide very strong protection from severe illness from COVID-19. I know there’s a lot of confusion and misinformation. But the world’s leading scientists confirm that if you are fully vaccinated, your risk of severe illness from COVID-19 is very low.

Again, mentioning how vaccinated people can still get sick but the chances of severe illness are lower (which is true to the current scientific standpoint)

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March 17.2021

Trump

>"I would recommend it," Mr Trump said during an interview on Fox News Primetime on Tuesday.
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>"I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly."

Trump recommending vaccine. I also have to agree that here he makes it seem as if the vaccine stops transmission with "I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it" (because they will still get it even with the vaccine)

However, in a later interview in december he said the same as Biden (that the vaccine merely protects you from severe illness.

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Dec 08. 2020

>The president said the vaccine “will save millions of lives and soon end the pandemic once and for all.” The assertion contradicted health officials who note that it will be months before many Americans can be inoculated and that eradication of COVID-19 is far from assured.

Source: VOA

>Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, meanwhile, said millions of vaccine doses are being shipped but that, despite the good news, Americans must “double down” on public health measures.
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>“As Americans get vaccinated, we need to continue taking steps like washing our hands, social distancing, and wearing face coverings to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our communities,” Azar said in a statement.

So this is the most of missinformation I could find. And it's not even that bad. Trump made an overstatement with how good the vaccine was, but this was instantly disproved by scientists and PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

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Rodereck t1_issmmko wrote

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900

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sei556 t1_issnrzu wrote

This one is interesting, because he contradicts himself in the video.

He says

>[...]That any virus, including the delta virus, which is much more transmissible and more deadly in terms on non-vaccinated people[...]

Which does imply they can still get it - but then the next sentence he basically says you not gonna get it if you get the vaccine.

So yeah, this is indeed a pretty bad speech of him and terrible wording.

Reading the article onwards:

>While vaccinations have been shown to protect against severe infection and death, they are less effective at preventing infections altogether. Biden's complete remarks during the CNN Town Hall included this context, although he did overstate and say that the vaccines would protect against infection in general.
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>"If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC [intensive care] unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said during the event. "So it's gigantically important that...we all act like Americans who care about our fellow Americans," he added.

So yes, he did spread some missinformation with that first overstatement, but it was directly disputed by himself.

I see how such poor wording can cause confusion and make people angry, but since the real info was out there even before that and he did say it correctly the same day, I don't really see this as a huge issue.

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Rodereck t1_issp6vh wrote

The real info wasn't out there. At the time of the president saying this, this was the actual general consensus and if you said otherwise you were banned or shunned. All the media was going around telling ppl that if you were vaccinated you couldn't get covid and your helping the community lols. The reason you can't find a lot of info on this major fck up is because the government along with Google have made every attempt to suppress and cover up all the misinformation that they've put out over the years so the things that everyone knows they said that was completely untrue are hard to find on the internet today because they had it forcefully removed. Cdc has even been caught ghost editing their policies without changing dates on edits. This is just one of the many lies that were told and if this is your first time hearing about this then that means the censorship has been working...

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sei556 t1_ist4e7o wrote

But if you read my reply carefully, you'd know that Biden himself corrected it in the context at the same event where this first quote was said.

It was missinformation, but also put out of context and the real info was in the exact same speech (if the source you linked can be trusted)

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Rodereck t1_ist5214 wrote

No man it wasn't wrong word choice or something he misspoke, our president and the organizations under him were legit saying that if you were vaccinated you couldn't get covid in the beginning and like I said this is just 1 of the many lies that had been told...

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sei556 t1_ist6k13 wrote

I'm not saying he didn't.

I did confirm that what he said was wrong.

But you need to read/listen to the context given. It's literally on the site you linked and I quoted it above.

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Rodereck t1_ist9phh wrote

I just linked that site cause it was the 1st one I saw that had the video of when he said it. The article doesn't elaborate the misinformation and divide at the time that this happened and frankly they all try to sugarcoat what he did. If someone like u or me were to go around saying false medical information especially on reddit we would be shunned or banned but when your own President is making false medical statements to the entire world there's no checks and balances. If it was a one time thing it might be somewhat acceptable but when you look back and realize a majority of the things they told the general public was a lie or made up it makes you question the administration's credibility...

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