flippythemaster t1_iryhysw wrote
Reply to comment by persiantaco in Rare plant thought to be extinct discovered on Kamehameha Schools land on Hawaiʻi Island : Maui Now by Open-Satisfaction-36
The Kamekamehas were monarchs of Hawaii. (You know, before they were illegally ousted by the CEO of the Dole Pineapple Company with the tacit endorsement of the United States in a coup that was condemned by the League of Nations.)
Akira Toriyama heard the name and thought it sounded good and so used it as the name of Master Roshi's signature attack. There's probably also a pun involved there, as the Japanese word for "turtle" is 亀, kame, and of course Roshi is the turtle hermit.
Maybe a little tone deaf, but what're ya gonna do? Toriyama was working on a weekly deadline.
WikiSummarizerBot t1_iryi0v1 wrote
>Kamehameha V (Lota Kapuāiwa Kalanimakua Aliʻiōlani Kalanikupuapaʻīkalaninui; December 11, 1830 – December 11, 1872), reigned as the fifth monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi from 1863 to 1872. His motto was "Onipaʻa": immovable, firm, steadfast or determined; he worked diligently for his people and kingdom and was described as the last great traditional chief.
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daydaywang t1_irzq2n1 wrote
Kamehameha literally translates to turtle destruction wave.
Kame = 亀 turtle
Hame = 破滅 destruction
Ha = 波 wave
RedditIsDogshit1 t1_irzuca2 wrote
Yeah, honestly two things can exist at the same time
Over-Analyzed t1_irzzu0p wrote
Not as tone deaf as the countless DBZ references people are making that are completely ignorant of Hawaiian language and culture. 🤷🏻♂️.
Did anyone read the article?
EDIT: nah, downvote me because I’m frustrated the entire thread is DBZ references and very few care about Hawaii. Let’s continue to ignore a culture that was suppressed and nearly wiped out of existence. 🤙🏻
ImAHardWorkingLoser t1_is00g0g wrote
If they don't know about the Hawaiian relation, it isn't tone deaf
Over-Analyzed t1_is01asb wrote
It literally says “on Hawaii.” If anyone actually bothered to read the article they could make the connection. I don’t understand why people pride on ignorance of another culture. But you think I would be used to it. This is below the minimum effort to understand the relation to Hawaii.
Or do you seriously think that everyone here is that ignorant of Hawaii? Do you really think they’re that stupid? Or are you projecting your own ignorance onto everyone else?
ImAHardWorkingLoser t1_is01kcf wrote
Jeez calm down mate. I meant, if someone doesn't know that Kamehameha was a king or even a word in Hawaiian language, then them making DBZ references isn't tone deaf. If they knew, and made jokes anyway, then it may qualify as tone deaf (though seeing that these are very harmless references, it isn't disrespectful imo).
Over-Analyzed t1_is01wei wrote
Nah, you’re trying to justify ignorance. 🤷🏻♂️.
I’m not saying not knowing the connection to Kamehameha the King but understanding that it’s Hawaiian and not a Japanese Animated character.
Let me ask you how you would feel if people made cheap jokes about your culture, heritage, etc? Or do you not have any connection to one in particular? Perhaps you don’t understand how tiresome ignorance of other cultures can be?
The word Haole is becoming a matter of fact. As I said, a few? Okay, but the entire thread? Really?
ImAHardWorkingLoser t1_is05o1e wrote
>Nah, you’re trying to justify ignorance.
Alright, if you're so adamant about it, then make of it what you will
>I’m not saying not knowing the connection to Kamehameha the King but understanding that it’s Hawaiian and not a Japanese Animated character.
Before this thread, I thought Kamehameha was a word created for DB so....
>Let me ask you how you would feel if people made cheap jokes about your culture, heritage, etc? Or do you not have any connection to one in particular? Perhaps you don’t understand how tiresome ignorance of other cultures can be?
Dude, you're talking to the wrong guy. People assume a very important cultural and religious symbol of mine is just a sign for neo-nazis and hate groups simply coz they recognize swastika as the symbol of Nazi party rather than the thousands of years old part of Hinduism. But I don't go about grilling them on reddit simply coz I know they are unaware of the history of swastika and the negative connection is all they know. I just try to educate them about its importance and move on.
SweetLuf t1_is07c7z wrote
Someone must’ve blew a rasengan up his ass this morning
Over-Analyzed t1_is084ym wrote
Yeah a tourist who ignored all warnings, destroyed the reef, tried taking rocks from a heiau, and tried to pick up a sea turtle. People who are disrespectful about a culture that is close to my heart. It’s frustrating. A few jokes? Okay. But the entire thread? Really? Why is everyone so fixated on cultural ignorance? A culture that was damn nearly wiped out by Americans.
Would you be making these jokes if it were Native Americans instead?
You’re kinda proving my point. Instead of understanding the need to acknowledge other cultures. You favor ignorance and poor assumptions. It doesn’t sound like you read the article.
SweetLuf t1_is1m6qc wrote
You’re actually correct I didn’t read the article. But whilst I think you were being a bit hyperbolic in your replies, I get where you’re coming from. I wouldn’t want to see Hawaiian culture disappear, and certainly not Native Americans either (what’s left of it at this point no thanks to colonialism).
Over-Analyzed t1_is27h3g wrote
I was a little over defensive. But come on? 90% of the thread is people talking about DBZ. I love the show. Every guy I knew watched it.
What happened to Native Americans is horrific. Hawaii was more politically achieved without bloodshed. The last monarch Queen Liliuokalani forbade her followers from taking action. She didn’t want any lives lost.
The culture and language has made a resurgence but there is no way to restore all that was lost. People want to move here but locals can’t afford to buy a home for their families. The average price for a family house is $1 Million. I’m a pretty social person but even I want to tell tourists not to move here. I could probably inherit my parents’ house somewhere down the line. Although I can’t imagine my heartbreak when that time comes. I don’t know if I’ll be able to get my own.
Hawaii has its issues. There’s no doubt about that. But there’s also a lot of pride that comes with it.
Over-Analyzed t1_is06brd wrote
There’s a difference in context. Here you are given context and you and so many others ignore that context. That is ignorance. The fact that you are arguing with me shows a pride in that ignorance. Instead of understanding my frustration.
It would be no different than someone showing a Hindu temple and pointing to that symbol and claiming “Nazis were here.” They have context but ignore the cultural cues and choose their own view, dismissing any other possibility. Then have that joke repeated endlessly.
Who exactly am I grilling? I’m venting my frustrations at the ignorance of people. That instead of looking things up they assume DBZ. If you had gone through what I’m angered about then why didn’t you look things up? You’re just as ignorant as those you are frustrated with. Why do you assume?
I mean, did you even bother to read the article?
ImAHardWorkingLoser t1_is090t0 wrote
Ok
Over-Analyzed t1_is09aak wrote
😐 Just because it happened to you and you’re okay with it. Doesn’t mean I have to be.
Look at the comments, aside from a small handful everyone is talking about DBZ. Don’t get me wrong, I love the show. But really? The entire thread. Uplifting news while ignoring an entire culture’s existence, history, and language. What fun!
ImAHardWorkingLoser t1_is0a6sf wrote
Ok
Over-Analyzed t1_is0aaxr wrote
😐
RedditNameChooser t1_is0u2wl wrote
Ok
TheTruthenatorer t1_is0snbc wrote
>Let me ask you how you would feel if people made cheap jokes about your culture, heritage, etc?
I have mostly Irish heritage. I've been to Ireland multiple times, I love the music, the people, the food, and the culture. I also don't throw a hissy fit when people associate St. Patrick's day with drinking.
Get over yourself. I'm sorry that the most popular ability from an extremely popular anime is more well known than some king who died a century and a half ago, but if you expected it to be any different then I hope this has been a reality check for you.
Over-Analyzed t1_is1egi7 wrote
Your culture is celebrated. Hawaiian culture was banned and nearly destroyed. Also, if anyone bothered to read the article they may yet learn something. I wouldn’t be bothered by a few jokes but the entire thread of people ignorant of an entire culture? Hello Ethnocentrism my old friend.
Would you treat Native Americans with the same disrespect?
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stopeatingcatpoop t1_is0th6s wrote
What? DBZ takes place in Hawaii?
someinfosecguy t1_is16d83 wrote
It actually says "on Hawai'i". Hawaii refers to the state, Hawai'i refers to the specific island.
Over-Analyzed t1_is1cq0y wrote
🤨, it’s spelled exactly the same. The lack of okina is a spelling choice on the writer. The way Hawai’i is pronounced is exactly the same. It’s also why locals refer to the island as The Big Island. The reason why the island and the state have the same name is thanks to King Kamehameha The Great who originated from The Big Island as he conquered the other islands.
Hawai’i is pronounced Ha-vye-ee. That applies to the island and the state. Everyone is too lazy to pronounce it correctly, myself included.
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