Submitted by je97 t3_120js00 in UpliftingNews
Sonacka t1_jdktzh2 wrote
Reply to comment by Usfamilyman67 in Top lawyers defy bar to declare they will not prosecute peaceful climate protesters by je97
Disruption is peaceful as long as there is no violence or damage done. You could shut down all of the roads in a city with a protest and as long as there is no property damage, violence, verbal harassment and ambulance/fire engines are able to pass through then it's peaceful.
georgepearl_04 t1_jdm5bok wrote
I don't think running into racetracks trying to kill/seriously injure drivers is particularly peaceful.
Sonacka t1_jdntbam wrote
That doesn't sound peaceful, do you have a link to any articles on that?
georgepearl_04 t1_jdnw9bt wrote
Sonacka t1_jdsal3n wrote
They were not trying to injure or kill the drivers. I agree that it might have injured or killed drivers/race staff but I do not think those protestors had any thought about how dangerous it would be for others if they entered the track. They are idiots that would have thought they would shut the race down. Nowhere in that article does it say they entered the race track with intent to kill or injure, only that their actions could have harmed people.
I don't agree with the actions of those protestors and believe they should be prosecuted but they were not trying to injure or kill people like you say.
georgepearl_04 t1_jdupklc wrote
You'd have to be brain dead to not realise that you were going to seriously hurt someone/kill them. They are extremely fortunate that Russell crashed out Zhou otherwise they'd already be dead/facing murder charges.
Sonacka t1_jdwgwub wrote
I'm going to go out on a limb then and say that they are brain dead. They are extremists who want to make headlines and also get arrested. If you think about it like that then stopping formula 1 makes for a great headline. How will they stop formula 1? By standing on the track so the cars can't go round. They are not smart people, their logic could legitimately be as flawed as that. Just because you, a rational person, can see the immediate flaw in their logic doesn't mean they can.
gooferpubs t1_jdlbckk wrote
Then what these protesters have done isn’t peaceful. They have repeatedly caused massive indiscriminate congestion of roads, including stopping emergency services.
Sonacka t1_jdlnvqu wrote
Did they stop the emergency services? Or did the traffic that was blocked up block the emergency services?
pawnman99 t1_jdlw39o wrote
Well, they caused the congestion, so I'd say they stopped the emergency services.
Sonacka t1_jdntdvg wrote
They didn't cause congestion, the number of cars did. If the cars weren't there or pulled to the side then the emergency vehicles could get through.
pawnman99 t1_jdnukhl wrote
The emergency vehicles could get through a chain of people blocking the entire road?
You guys are even more optimistic than I thought.
Sonacka t1_jds9j90 wrote
Yes. I don't know if you know this but most people have functional legs and can walk. Those that don't will have another way of moving out of the way for emergency services...
pawnman99 t1_jdsiqrs wrote
Like... waiting for the police to show up and remove them?
Sonacka t1_jdsme6y wrote
Do you have any evidence or links to articles that say these protesters stopped emergency vehicles from passing? Or are you just grumpy that these people blocked the roads for regular cars for a while?
pawnman99 t1_jdss35x wrote
Sonacka t1_jdszcbc wrote
Source 1 was definitely irresponsible of the protestors. Glueing yourself to something on the road is very irresponsible. Even if they didn't mean to delay the fire engine they are in the wrong.
In source 3 it paints the picture that the protestors were blocking emergency services, but the last part of the article shows the fire engine made it through, and still made it to where it needed to go within 14 minutes. The reversing ambulance appears to be reversing to face the protestors. Either it's going to ram through them, or maybe there is room for the ambulance to go through?
Source 3 shows the ambulance struggling to get through traffic. I don't know the layout of the roads but again it doesn't look like the protestors are blocking the road and stopping the ambulance from getting through, it's the amount of traffic in the way stopping the ambulance. Again though, people glueing themselves to the road is unacceptable.
Source 4 is a very weird source. The protests may or may not have contributed to the amount of traffic (I honestly have no idea, but for the sake of the argument, I'll agree that they did). The two people had their car hit after being in standstill traffic for four hours. That is not the result of the protests, that's just the result of a criminal driver. The 40 minutes for the ambulance to get there is very high, but it doesn't say how long the ambulance should have taken on a regular day, so maybe it's not much higher?
pawnman99 t1_jdt0bsv wrote
Do you really think the protests are unrelated to the amount of traffic on the road? And that the amount of traffic is unrelated to delaying emergency vehicles?
And yeah, protesters are acting irresponsibly. That's my whole point.
Sonacka t1_jdtb21p wrote
The protesters are related to the amount of traffic stuck on the road. But they aren't related to the drivers poor ability to let emergency vehicles through. They should all leave enough room for them to pass, just like the protesters did in one of your sources. Some protestors are acting irresponsibly I agree.
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