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theslimbox t1_jdhuohf wrote

It's cool he is doing this, but it will be interesting to look into this and see just how long this land has been considered sacred. Doing some family history, I recently foundout that many of the sites my nation claims is sacred, we took from other nations as we pushed westward as Europeans took our land. I think it's a shame that we are calling things ours that we simply conquered a century or less before it was taken from us.

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vrenak t1_jdifdxq wrote

The age old question of how long do you have to occupy an area before it's yours, at least it's nice to see others being aware of this dilemma, because you can apply this globally to almost every single piece of land.

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theslimbox t1_jdinc1q wrote

I agree, it's tricky. My opinion is that if we spend time complaining about the past, we are missing out on the future. I have relatives that are living on reservations complaining about how the old traditions are being lost, that would be much better off today if they moved on to modern living. I'm seeing them complain about sacred sites, when they have no clue that our nation was in the Eastern states less than 200 years ago, and they are saying areas we conquered other nations to take have been sacred to us for generations. A poor understanding of history leads to stupid claims. I forgive anyone that has done injustice to my family in the past as I hope others my family may have offended will forgive us, and I hope we can all work together to keep loving others we we love ourselves into the future.

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vrenak t1_jdipsof wrote

Indeed, the past is just that, past. We should remember it, learn from it, but not let it control us. The mistakes and misdeeds of generations dead and buried aren't ours, live in the present, prepare for the future by learning from the past. Don't live in the past, destroy the future, by making the present the past.

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drLagrangian t1_jdisf1s wrote

>Tribal elders call the mountain "The place where shamans dream." The tribes consider it a place where ancient ancestors emerged into this world.

>The mountain has been so significant to Indian spiritual leaders for thousands of years that they were reluctant to allow federal archaeologists Stanton Rolf and Cynthia Pinto of the Bureau of Land Management to put its secrets on paper.

https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/1999/oct/05/sacred-spirit-mountain-listed-among-historic-place/

The [Grapevine Valley Petroglyphs] were created between 1100 and 1900 AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapevine_Canyon_Petroglyphs?wprov=sfla1

Around 10,000 years ago, as the last ice age melted away, the area that is today known as the Mojave Desert was a much wetter place. It was marked by lakes and streams fed by retreating glaciers and sustained by wetter weather patterns. https://www.treehugger.com/deserts-that-used-to-be-verdant-fields-and-forests-4868543#

So somewhere between 10,000 and 1000 years.

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