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bermudaliving t1_jaz3zuh wrote

Doing this by 2030 is a slap in the face. The ocean is literally on the brink of extinction. Just look up when scientists expect the ocean to go extinct. This is far too late. Google how much ocean life is removed from the sea daily and you’ll understand that by 2030 there will be little left to “protect”.

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[deleted] t1_jaz7tsu wrote

The ocean just isn't going to 'be extinct' in 7 years time. Calm down.

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BrightSkyFire t1_jb07u2y wrote

Correct! The ocean will not be extinct in seven years. Or fifty for that matter! The ocean is an excellent environment for biodiversity. There will always be some aspect of life inhabiting it.

However, every year, more irreversible damage is done to the ocean. The carrying capacity of the ocean has long been exceeded by humanity's consumption of seafood alone, never mind anything else that depends on it for resources. In the current century, there has been an extremely worrying downtrend in the seasonal regeneration of sea-life.

Needless to say, every year of inaction is another sprint closer to the approaching cataclysmic disaster that will be the collapse of the ocean as a food source. We need to start slowing humanity's approach down as soon as possible, and seven years is not an insignificant amount of time.

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SoulOfGuyFieri t1_jazc817 wrote

You can deny it all you want but the next mass extinction is already under way and well documented.

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[deleted] t1_jazcj25 wrote

I didn’t deny it’s happening, but the ocean isn’t going to be extinct in 7 years. It just isn’t.

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jeho22 t1_jazg6pf wrote

I think this is more of a wording issue...

The ocean and its ecosystems are being damaged horribly. The ocean also is not a species that can go extinct.

Also, since when does anybody listen to the UN? Think China's fleets are going to magically start playing nice? Are countries going to stop dumping their garbGe and sewage into their rivers?

Probably not in my lifetime

Edit: left out the word 'go'

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Anderopolis t1_jazpv9x wrote

UN frameworks are adhered to in the vast majority of cases. The Kyoto protocol f.eks. was actually overachieved by everyone that didn't leave it.

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CaptainCupcakez t1_jb09rz1 wrote

Any evidence outside of "that sounds crazy and I can't imagine it happening"?

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bermudaliving t1_jb3n80x wrote

I should calm down about majority of scientific research coming to the same conclusion?

Please remind me in 5 years time how much sea life is left in order to feed the 4 billion people who depend on it.

By 2030 the human population will grow to 8.5 billion. Where is this extra food coming from?

The lakes across the western coast of United States are on the brink of extinction. Same goes for many lakes across the planet as we speak.

I’m not sure why it’s so hard to see this isn’t a pretty picture humanity is facing.

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[deleted] t1_jb3q1fe wrote

Where did I say there wasn’t a problem? There is very definitely a problem, but it’s also useless to make completely hyperbolic and hysterical statements like “the ocean will be extinct by 2030”.

It’s utterly inaccurate, defeatist statements like that which have completely discredited the real climate change facts that scientists have been trying to warn us about for decades. Every time a blatant mis truth about the apocalypse is bandied about, it throws the veracity of everything into question. ‘if that’s so obviously wrong, what else are they lying about?’.

The article itself even states that the UN predicts that 10% of marine life is at risk of extinction. 10% is a lot different to ‘the ocean will be extinct by 2030’. There is more life in the ocean than you can possibly imagine, and yes, we are massively impacting fish stocks, and yes there are deep concerns about unsustainable fishing and pollution and the like, but there is also a wealth of evidence that shows preserving just 30% of a particular waterway can vastly improve marine health in the area (look up Palau and how they saved their ocean, their fishermen and their economy in one fell swoop).

The ocean will NOT be extinct in 7 years. Will we see extinctions in 7 years? yes we will. But even if we drove tuna to oblivion, that doesn’t mean the entire ocean ecosystem will be a barren wasteland in 7 years. People have been predicting massive apocalyptic extinctions for decades, and here we still are, preserving ecosystems, bringing animals back from the brink, working together to improve sustainability and green consumption. There is a long way ti go, and this is an incredible, momentous, world-changing agreement that will only bring benefits. Stop cheapening it with insane generalisations about total extinction. Enough already.

Shelve your hand wringing and existential dread and channel it into educating yourself and empowering societies to adopt these sorts of measures.

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Swampberry t1_jb00dro wrote

>Just look up when scientists expect the ocean to go extinct

Sure, I googled "when do scientists expect the ocean to go extinct" and got hits stating anything from 2050 to 2300.

In the future, just state your point and don't tell people to go googling for it.

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bermudaliving t1_jb3krk1 wrote

If you look it up for yourself I don’t have to go back and forth with people online. Sorry if that was against the rules of Reddit.

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Swampberry t1_jb41ykb wrote

It's more of a human thing, that you state your point instead of telling people to guess what you're talking about and to find info about that. That's just being 21st century too lazy to even bother talking.

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GwynsFourKnights t1_jazecds wrote

Yes biodiversity will decrease. But do you realistically think 7 years is far too late for the ocean to go EXTINCT? Most of the ocean isn't even mapped. You are being way to naive to think the whole world could get together in a matter of a couple of years and have great strides. Complaining about it online ain't doing shit, they already just said that getting this done took a lot of effort.

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WuTangFinance24 t1_jb1o0t9 wrote

Yeah imagine being angry about progress that five years ago people thought was impossible. This person is probably out eating sushi right now too.

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bermudaliving t1_jb3lnwe wrote

I was actually out fishing. Check out “doomsday clock” and what’s changed in the last 5 years. I’m pro protecting the ocean I’m just stating that it’s not going to put a dent into the shit storm we’re about to face. More so if we’re waiting until 2030 after several decades of “talking”.

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GwynsFourKnights t1_jbg6oz8 wrote

But you do realize that the best way to actually fix our planets course is through legislation, which we currently lack by a mile. Corporation will continue to do horrible shit because they are greedy and targeting them individually or boycotting isn't gonna do shit. So yeah sure even if this isn't the cure all you were hoping for, it helps open the door just a bit more towards have a more environmentally conscious government that sets real restricting legislation.

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WuTangFinance24 t1_jb6n0qm wrote

I know what the doomsday clock is. It's a useless abstraction of doom that is not based on anything empirical. How do you know it's not going to put a dent? Perhaps you have created a doom filter bubble and the only news you see is bad news. Yes, things are bad. But also there's so many good things that are happening. You just don't hear about them in the headlines because it doesn't sell clicks.

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bermudaliving t1_jb3lfs4 wrote

The scientific community is that naive I guess because that’s they’re expectations not mine. I’m not scientist.

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otisreddingsst t1_jazca7k wrote

Do you mean the extinction from global warming? I believe this treaty is more concerned with fishing

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bermudaliving t1_jb3m1ru wrote

Yes but it’s all tied together.

Climate change, over fishing, pollution is all linked to the demise of the ocean.

Scientists are expecting the ocean to collapse right around the same time governments are planning to protect areas?

Imo its uplifting, but as we speak countries are also blatantly ignoring similarly treaties.

We need bigger change.

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shirk-work t1_jazhuh0 wrote

This is it folks we are officially done. Maybe humanity will hold on in the least effected locations or maybe it'll build generation bubble cities.

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dalaiis t1_jb04bjg wrote

"but we didnt agree completely with the treaty, so we dont have to abide by it" -some UN country in 2029.

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bermudaliving t1_jb3kd1w wrote

Exactly. Look at China for instance and their illegal fishing practices.

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Broom_Rider t1_jazh71y wrote

Wow you got people mad for some reason. You are of course correct this is too little too late, we need drastic action now.

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