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Frraksurred t1_j9z1mrq wrote

4 day versus 5 day... I wish. Worked 7 day weeks for 15 years. Most people I know work at least 6. When are these studies actually going to apply to the every day person and not the elite?

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kchuen t1_ja23dmt wrote

What industry are you in? That sounds excessive.

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Frraksurred t1_ja37g3y wrote

Food. Specifically Processing; from Farm to Food Ingredients. That said, anything around Food, Medical or Emergency Services (to name a few) are known for long weeks and hours. For two years after the Pandemic 70-80+ hrs a week was common for us. 60 hrs has always been a short week in our Industry, but consistent 75+ was a new level of burnout.

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kchuen t1_ja3lcj3 wrote

So did the hours just slowly creep up? How much do they pay for overtime? How come people don’t quit en masse? How do you and your colleagues feel or are doing about it?

Sorry it might be a lot of questions. I’m not from the US, so genuinely curious.

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Frraksurred t1_ja3p1kx wrote

All good questions. When you're new and training, you're on an office schedule, so M-F 40 hr, once you take a bid into a department you move to what is called a rotation schedule. This means work 7 days, have one off, work 7 have 2 off, work 7 have 4 off. You time off only lands on a weekend once a month, during that 4 day period. Since we work with food, it is 24/7/365, so holidays mean nothing outside of more pay. The pay is the only reason they keep people. It is $28 an hour with anything over 8 hours in a day being 1.5x, anything over 40 hrs being 1.5x, Sundays 2x & holidays being 2.5x. We are a Union facility, or it wouldn't be that good.

Hours have always been 60+ a week, we knew this going in, but new corporate trends like "lean manufacturing" that means fewer employees, less maintenance and reduced benefits have made for consistently more hours, more stressful work environment and higher turn over. The people that stay are usually my group, the 50 somethings that don't want to start over some where else after spending 10 years to get to a day shift, and... need the income if we ever want to retire in this economy. The other group is the young bloods, 20-35 yr olds who have never made this kind of money and assume they will be able to move into a decent position in a reasonable amount of time. Usually takes these guys 5-10 years to figure out the company sees us a just another resource to expend. By that point they are used to the income. Divorce rate is high. Spouses feel the hours, but when it comes giving up the money, they tend to say "it can't be that bad".

My point is, the employees that stay tend to do so because they feel trapped. Greed and inflation in America has made it so making ends meet on less than $40k a year is a struggle at best. An old and tiring story.

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kchuen t1_ja878zj wrote

Very well explained. You seem to be very aware of the situation and employees’ and management’s mindsets as well.

I can sympathize as I’m in an industry that has long working hours and poor pay in general. Took me a decade and a few jumps to land into my current niche where I can make reasonable salary with reasonable hours.

All the best to you!

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Frraksurred t1_ja8ju48 wrote

Thank you. Here is to a healthy work / life / income balance for everyone. raises glass

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tmart14 t1_ja13c0s wrote

Most reasonably high paying careers require more than 40 hours a week to get work done. I don’t know if it really applies to the “elite”

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