FindorKotor93 t1_j6hrvzv wrote on January 30, 2023 at 12:42 PM

Reply to comment by Scary_Vanilla1730 in 3.8 billion people believe human life started with a Man and His Clone by Acceptable-Shape-528

The same way you feel god can make decisions outside of time to make decisions in. Acausal existences are weird. There never was a nothing and every time you guys reassert it you make the addiction of faith look worse.

Scary_Vanilla1730 t1_j6hsdzu wrote on January 30, 2023 at 12:47 PM

I'm sorry but if god exists i think he created the universe and time, and so holds knowledge that you can not begin to understand and never will be able to.

We as human can not even have our brain picture what a 4th dimension representation look like and you think you could begin to understand what does it means to be outside of time? Or that we would be able one day to explain the creation of the universe

Now if you don't believe, a scientific explanation that could occur outside of time is such as weird as a god. I don't know why people are so shaken by the theory or religion

FindorKotor93 t1_j6htosc wrote on January 30, 2023 at 12:59 PM

No. Just that we both accept that there are things we can't understand, and demanding others explain those things for you whilst admitting you can't for them is just showing how faith is narcissism of thought alone.

There is no standard by which to infer the first thing a mind or will. Not prove, not even physically evidence. No standard in human logic.

Scary_Vanilla1730 t1_j6hugho wrote on January 30, 2023 at 1:07 PM

No it's explaining that i don't need people to say to me that being agnostic is me being wrong, or that people believing in a god is wrong. Not believing or believing are both an opinion and it's tiring to see people come up with limited scientific facts to explain why I'm wrong and god doesn't exist

Scary_Vanilla1730 t1_j6hsthf wrote on January 30, 2023 at 12:51 PM

What i mean is that religion does not mean no science. We believe in science, in the theory of evolution, in the big bang. We just believe that the universe was created by god, or that the thing that created the universe was itself created by god, and that everything can not come from nothingness. Being agnostic is believing that there may be a superior force and consciousness at work not that the monotheist religion are right.

Believing that the universe came from nothing is more crazy to me than believing there's someone else

FindorKotor93 t1_j6htdkp wrote on January 30, 2023 at 12:56 PM

Once again, nobody thinks the universe came from nothing. Every time you reassert that, you just witness theism is so senseless it cannot be defended logically. There is no logic in asserting an infinitely complex undesigned entity just was by itself, made by nothing, to explain how a less complex existence, the universe, came to be.

Scary_Vanilla1730 t1_j6hu1sz wrote on January 30, 2023 at 1:03 PM

Nobody can prove it didn't came from nothing, nobody. Nobody can explain it, people believe it does not come from nothing but how would you know? Ah yes you can't. This undesigned entity may not be by itself, it may have been made by something bigger even, it could be anything. You can't even explain where the universe come from and you would like to understand what created it ? Also not believing in a god or in a superior entity is an opinion not a fact, which is something that a lot of religion haters tend to forget

What shock me is that you have no proof of what you bring on the table, as i have none of what i bring, and yet you're persuasive that agnostic and believers are all wrong. I don't believe you're wrong, but you'll never be able to prove that i'm wrong either. I have my opinion and your ego trip just want you to be right

FindorKotor93 t1_j6huqdv wrote on January 30, 2023 at 1:09 PM

EDIT: Can you thank him for proving my point by blocking me for holding him to his illogic, insults and strawmen. Only proves how thin skinned a need to believe makes you.

Thank you for admitting that you cannot present any logic to believe your position correct. :) And your first sentence sounds like an argument for atheism you're so desperate for me to be wrong.
There was a first cause. By all logic it must have been outside the universe. There is no logic in inventing more complexity to explain no question it doesn't beg of itself.It's not that you are definitively wrong, it's that there is no reason to think you're right, and given that no matter what position is true most humans will be wrong, then your beliefs are not products of truth seeking but a need to be right. Nothing more.

Though I do like the hypocrisy of you shitting on atheists from the strawman of everything from nothing, but when you're held to the fact there's no reason to believe you right or even possibly right then I'm an egotist. Faith is the death of reflective thought it seems.

Scary_Vanilla1730 t1_j6huwxa wrote on January 30, 2023 at 1:11 PM

I'm not reading all that just the fist sentence where you're just disrespectful. You are a hater for no good reason and your ego is big. As you're a science and logical sucker I'll just say that Einstein was an agnostic not an atheist. I'm blocking you. Don't come up with an other account to answer