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IVIaster222 t1_itoev2y wrote

Not really. Who said anything about heating the pizza up in the first place?

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IVIaster222 t1_itof36v wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#213,086)

Cooking a pizza is different from simply making a pizza. You can make a pizza and not heat it up. To cook one, you would indeed have to heat it up before it can cool down. Otherwise though, it is cold before it is hot.

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IVIaster222 t1_itogirf wrote

Replying to OkOwl3606 (#213,128)

I'd argue that pizza dough with toppings on it is just an uncooked pizza, in the same way that cookie dough is just an uncooked cookie, or that cake batter is just uncooked cake.

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IVIaster222 t1_itohgvb wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#213,133)

Cookie dough, cake batter, and brownie batter are all also things that are not considered edible before they are cooked, yet people eat them all the time. Albeit in small doses (I'd hope.)

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IVIaster222 t1_itohtxm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#213,321)

Think of it like an egg. An egg is an egg regardless if it's cooked or not. You do not eat an egg before it is cooked, but that doesn't take away that it is an egg. A pizza, hot or cold is a pizza based on the dough/crust, a sauce of some sort, cheese/toppings. If I see a frozen pizza, I still consider it a pizza. Would I eat it cold? No. But it is cold before I heat it up.

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IVIaster222 t1_itoij0j wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#213,353)

Lol, I'm just a random guy on the internet with an opinion that doesn't really even matter. No need to change your post to appease me. I didn't type all of that to bash you, just to point out that IMO a cold pizza is also considered a pizza. Could I have done it in a less demeaning way? Looking back, absolutely. No way to turn back time though, and regardless neither of our lives were really changed by the outcome anyways. It was an interesting shower thought at least, one of the more original ones I've seen lately.

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IVIaster222 t1_itoiuud wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#213,416)

Glad to hear that. Not often you see that online, especially in a subreddit such as this one. Arguing online over important topics is never something I care for. Over topics that literally don't matter though? I'm all for it until it gets out of hand lol

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Megacole1 t1_itomeih wrote

Replying to IVIaster222 (#213,404)

Though it might be considered pizza, when people "make food" it is assumed that it is in its final finished form. You dont make eggs and then they are raw. The same you dont make pizza and its raw. (See how i talked about eggs too lol). In the context of the question pizza would take longer to be made cold.

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TehOuchies t1_itoom51 wrote

When you go to the store and go down the frozen foods isle. What is it that you buy?

A frozen Pizza? Or Frozen Pizza ingredients that turn into pizza when heated?

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Finb0 t1_itousrz wrote

Replying to IVIaster222 (#213,217)

But is cookie dough really a cookie? And what happens if you bake a cake with the cookie dough? Is it a cake? How long has it been a cake and not a cookie?

I agree though that you don't have to heat a pizza to call it a pizza. You could, for example, put pizza topping on a tortilla and argue that it's a pizza without heating it

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Tyfyter2002 t1_itoxf20 wrote

Replying to TehOuchies (#213,987)

A pizza which was already made, and was then frozen.

Edit: not sure how I confused frozen pizza with the large amount of frozen foods that are always pre-cooked, but the process still takes longer unless you ignore the time it takes to reach the temperature it would start at were it not frozen

Edit 2: since it was evidently not sufficiently clear, I am aware that I misremembered the mechanics of frozen pizza — however — regardless of whether or not even the crust is pre-cooked in some brands, a lower starting temperature adds a substantial amount of time.

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chocolate420 t1_itoxnn6 wrote

The amount of upvotes some things on this subreddit get will never cease to amaze me.

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RobLowEscobarr t1_itoy5ku wrote

But you'll burn your hands trying to make a pizza when the ingredients are already hot.

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Joker_Jrock t1_itoypwk wrote

Liquid nitrogen for the win. But generally I cook my pizza about 12 let it cool for 4 then eat

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Designer_Storyteller t1_itp0hnd wrote

Replying to IVIaster222 (#213,343)

I disagree.

Grapes are not wine until crushed and fermented (simplified I know) Cement is not concrete until it dries. Cake batter is not a cake until it’s baked.

None of the initial three items above are their latter item. You do not treat any three of them the same. You do not walk on wet cement. You do not ice and decorate raw cake batter (least most people do not attempt to as the result would be messy) and you literally only have grape juice if you crush grapes, no getting drunk over some smooshed fruits.

In ALL of these there is literal chemical change involved to create a new compound. AKA You can not go back, it is NOT the same item as before.

So the pizza item here is not pizza. Because the dough has yet react to the heat and ‘compound’ into the crust we all know and love(or hate).

So I disagree with YOUR logic of an uncooked pizza is not yet chemically “a pizza.”

I emphasis “your” because Someone above called a tortilla with pizza toppings a pizza, and then that just becomes what I perceive to be an argument of linguistics/etymology . All your egg example is an etymology issue. We just don’t have a word for cooked egg like we do other meats or goodies.

Edited for grammar and spelling. Probably still shitty.

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SashaWoodson t1_itp2pxm wrote

I wanted to make a “cold pizza” appetizer for a brunch menu. Basically like a lavash bread, seasoned tomato paste , fresh mozzarella. Left before I got to.

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tbnrjagster t1_itp2wme wrote

If you're talking about putting together a pizza, then baking it, and then freezing it, yes. However, the pizza is cold before you put it into the oven.

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Until_Morning t1_itp4kzz wrote

Replying to IVIaster222 (#213,343)

This is so dishonest. An egg is a single thing. It's not a combination of things. So of course it's always going to be what it is whether or not it's been cooked. But the other examples they gave were valid. An uncooked pizza is as much a pizza as cake batter is cake, brownie batter is brownies, or cookie dough is cookies. Things that actually have multiple ingredients. Uncooked pizza isn't actually pizza because there's no bread. Just uncooked yeast. You don't present someone An uncooked pizza and say "look, I've made a pizza" 💀

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Ballbag94 t1_itp6bnk wrote

Replying to Finb0 (#215,098)

I would say that it's the constituent parts and differences in consistency that makes something what it is, not its final physical appearance

If you put icing and sweets on top of a cookie it doesn't stop being a cookie, it's just an iced cookie. If you layer a bunch of cookies I think you could probably call it a cookie cake, but it's not just "cake" as it doesn't have the right composition, it's simply cookies in the form of a cake

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Phoenixsoaring0124 t1_itp86jz wrote

I read this as cold pizza is “once hot” pizza. It takes longer because you have to wait for it to get cold

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GoldenRpup t1_itp8bck wrote

Replying to IVIaster222 (#213,083)

Technically someone had to heat up the pizza to get it to that shape, and then froze it later, so it was still cooked first.

Unless it was simply assembled then frozen to be cooked later. If that is the case, you're on to something here.

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leahlikesturtles t1_itp961t wrote

In a pizza oven? It takes about 2 minutes to turn a raw pizza into a cooked one

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Rupertii t1_itp9hlv wrote

Replying to TehOuchies (#213,987)

Pizza is just assembled pizza ingredients so you’re buying a frozen pizza and that frozen pizza = the ingredients. You call it a pizza because it’s assembled

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ChaseHarker t1_itp9o37 wrote

I learned this from a chef a long time ago, take your frozen pizza out of the packaging and defrost it on the counter and then add your spices and extra cheese and extra toppings and then put it in a very very hot oven for a short amount of time and it makes all the difference!

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NetherPortals t1_itpambh wrote

I've taken enough refrigeration engineering to know that's not true.

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FitLotus t1_itpb875 wrote

It takes longer to make cold coffee than hot coffee. Even if it’s a cold brew situation.

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Darkstar1988 t1_itpc7sn wrote

Isend that Tru for all foods that have to be cooked, fried or baked?

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GodChangedMyChromies t1_itpcmkm wrote

It takes longer to make any cooked food cold than the same food hot.

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unoriginal_namejpg t1_itpcx1a wrote

I mean its relative. If you put the pizza in a freezer at -200 Celsius you can bet your ass its gonna cool quick

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OptimisticSkeleton t1_itpd075 wrote

False. I have cold pizza in my fridge already and someone made it for me. Checkmate scientists /s

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MedonSirius t1_itpdg17 wrote

In addition: iced coffee is faster being produced than hot coffee

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billding88 t1_itph9z3 wrote

Replying to TehOuchies (#213,987)

I would argue that colloquially, cold pizza and frozen pizza are different foods. Frozen pizza CAN become cold pizza, but only after it's been cooked and thawed.

Growing up, if we were offered a choice for what to take to school in our lunch. Let's say the choices were PB&J or cold pizza...if I got to school and found frozen pizza I would be a little out of sorts.

So while frozen pizza is "technically" cold pizza, I feel like if I am talking to someone about cold pizza, it is highly likely we both understand EXACTLY what we are talking about, and it is not frozen pizza.

Just my 2c

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Hyena_The t1_itphnkv wrote

Replying to TheMediumJanet (#215,801)

The pliability of the word technically can be used in fun ways: I am technically aroused; I am aroused technically; Technically I am aroused; I technically am aroused. Reading all 4 can either have the same or different meanings, depending on how you like your commas and intonation.

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PocketNicks t1_itpjlmy wrote

Depends what you mean by "cold". Most people would say that pizza at room temperature is "cold". In that regard it takes very little time to produce room temperature pizza compared to hot pizza. If you mean baking a pizza until hot and then making it cold after, then yes. That applies to anything that is prepared and heated. This is a stupid observation. edit if I prepared two pizzas with ingredients at room temperature, then put one in an oven and one in a freezer. One would be hot at about the same time as the other was cold. However the hot one would likely be cooked before the cold one became frozen. OP failed.

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Amythebard t1_itpkncw wrote

it takes longer to make food before you cook it compared to after you cook it

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TheSico t1_itplp7m wrote

Am I the only one who's missing how is this a shower thought and not a simple fact?

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elhombreindivisible t1_itpo39l wrote

Water is wet and drugs are dangerous. So maybe watch out for that too.

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razzec_phone t1_itppd0d wrote

Replying to billding88 (#216,494)

Agreed, for us, cold pizza taken to school would have been the leftovers from the hot pizza we had the night before, not frozen pizza or frozen pizza thawed out.

Now I guess you could argue whether or not it was frozen pizza that we baked in the oven or freshly made pizza from a pizza place but I don't think either of those matter since the end result is the same for both: cold pizza that was once full cooked and hot.

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Usual-Librarian-3439 t1_itppei5 wrote

No way really? Its almost like anything thats cold is harder to heat than something thats warm. Touché.

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Buck_Thorn t1_itppq5e wrote

It takes longer to make a cold COOKED pizza than a hot pizza

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ZoulsGaming t1_itpptc9 wrote

Replying to robpottedplant (#215,786)

Depends on the pizza. In denmark we specifically had "raw dough" pizza frozen which is pizza ingredients that are raw and frozen chucked into the oven, but we also have pizzas that are essentially baked and finished but frozen down to reheat quickly

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Rhys-the-compleat t1_itppwfy wrote

No? Cos you make the frozen pizza then you have to wait for it to cook, Changing states doesn't make it different.

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razzec_phone t1_itpq9d2 wrote

Replying to GoldenRpup (#215,726)

It's probably assembled at near freezing temperatures to reduce the risk of bacterial contamination and then flash-frozen to reduce damage to the pizza during the freezing process.

So yeah, I don't think it would ever reach room temperature before arriving at the customer's house (or at least shouldn't have if all temperature controls were followed correctly)

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Original-Passenger75 t1_itprahr wrote

Replying to Hobo-man (#217,477)

What is frozen pizza? It’s pizza that’s already cooked and then frozen then packaged if so that freezing process takes longer than the the hot pizza.

and if it isn’t cooked then I would consider it pizza and comparable to the part of home made pizza just before you are about to put it in the oven

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razzec_phone t1_itprd1a wrote

Replying to hedgybaby (#215,766)

They are delicious. Here's how I make them for one of my boys:

Grab a tortilla and lay it out flat on a baking sheet. Cover it evenly with a thin layer of cheese. I usually add insult to injury here by using taco blend shredded cheese for this step.

Cover this with another tortilla. Add your pizza sauce and spread it out evenly, making sure not to use too much. Then add your regular shredded cheese (Mozzarella or Fiesta blend) and then top with your toppings of choice.

Mine are usually ground beef and crumbled bacon. The son I usually make this for likes Italian sausage and the other son will sometimes eat his with just pepperoni.

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MarioPfhorG t1_itpsa36 wrote

Technically all bread is already toast. You had to bake it to make it. You just bake it a little extra and suddenly it’s toast.

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Hobo-man t1_itptcvx wrote

Replying to Original-Passenger75 (#217,576)

Frozen pizza's aren't precooked...

So it's assembled and then flash frozen which is significantly faster than assembling a pizza and then cooking it for 10-15 minutes.

Papa Murphy's is another step removed in this process. The pie is assembled and simply refrigerated. Infinitely faster than any process that includes heating the pizza.

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mazzimar7 t1_itpupy2 wrote

You know the pizza starts out cold, right? Dough, sauce, toppings are all cold before it goes into the oven.

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loki1887 t1_itpvgu2 wrote

Replying to Original-Passenger75 (#217,576)

If I wake up at a buddy's place after a night out, and they tell me there is cold pizza in the kitchen. Then I get in there and there is a uncooked pizza on the counter, I'd be like, "da fuck?”

That's not what cold pizza means. You guys are getting weirdly pendant.

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Finb0 t1_itpwr0a wrote

Replying to Ballbag94 (#215,567)

Well, that's where I agree with you as for my main argument about the tortilla pizza.

I can't agree that cookie dough is a cookie though, which a commenter stated earlier.

So if we take uncooked cookie dough and layer it I couldn't call it a cookie in the form of a cake; it's fundamental to cook the dough before it's a cookie

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Ballbag94 t1_itpxcxl wrote

Replying to Finb0 (#218,290)

>I can't agree that cookie dough is a cookie though,

Definitely, it doesn't count as a cookie until it's baked, part of being a cookie requires baking, but once the dough is mixed I don't think it can become anything other than a cookie

>So if we take uncooked cookie dough and layer it I couldn't call it a cookie in the form of a cake; it's fundamental to cook the dough before it's a cookie

Completely agree there, I'd call it cookie dough in the form of a cake, however once baked I wouldn't call it a cake, because it doesn't have the composition required of a cake

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Finb0 t1_itpxr1m wrote

Replying to Ballbag94 (#218,359)

Hahah okay but what if we put a cake foundation under the cookie dough cake (and between each layer), is it a cake now with cookie dough filling? The cookie dough has in this case also become something else than a cookie; a cake filling?

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extordi t1_itpyfoi wrote

Replying to DarkSoulDeep (#218,052)

The official regulation for Neapolitan pizza specifies:

> The cooking must be done exclusively in a wood-fired oven, which has reached a temperature between 430-480C°. With these temperatures, just insert the pizza for 60-90 seconds.

If you make a lot of pizza I highly suggest a pizza steel, or at least a good stone! I bake mine at 260C (500F) and they're done in about 5 minutes. And delicious, too! You're "limited" to more like New York style pizza but hey, that's still a great place to be.

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aircooledJenkins t1_itpyy5f wrote

Replying to DDDlokki (#217,960)

Hot pizza getting cold.

At least, it cold at a faster rate than the cold pizza warms. The temperature differential between the hot pizza and the room is much greater than the cold pizza and the room.

Hot pizza will lose heat to the room at a faster rate than the room will lose heat to the cold pizza.

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mr_butts69 t1_itq1uv1 wrote

man discovered food takes time to cool down after it gets cooked

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StateChemist t1_itq2aqf wrote

Replying to floolf03 (#215,767)

Still a raw inedible pizza.

It’s a frozen pizza not ‘a pizza’ the adjective matters in this context.

I can’t eat what you are showing me without cooking it and if I ordered a pizza at a restaurant and they brought me a frozen raw pizza then I’m mad because that’s not what anyone expects when they are offered a pizza.

If I ordered a frozen pizza to go give me the frozen thing, but you pedanticness is complicating the matter rather than clarifying anything.

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StateChemist t1_itq2rdc wrote

Replying to floolf03 (#215,952)

Goes to a restaurant

I would like to order a piece of dough flat with sauce and cheese and these toppings then cooked and sliced because Reddit proved words don’t mean anything so unless I’m very specific I might not get what I want because a pizza is just an imaginary construct.

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mr_butts69 t1_itq3duz wrote

Replying to PandaKing185 (#219,016)

shit can get crazy heated over literally just a post about the temperature of fucking pizza oh my god it’s fantastic. i cant imagine what could’ve been so controversial and frankly the prospect is fascinating me now. was it something simple like you were just being racist (somehow, in the post about fucking pizza temp) or was it something more complex that i could never even imagine. it could be anything right.

i lost where i was going with that ngl, i’m high and i apologise for the ramblings

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PandaKing185 OP t1_itq3pc0 wrote

Replying to mr_butts69 (#219,091)

Lmao I wasn't racist, just being rude like "damn let me delete it and repost it specifying COOKED EDIBLE pizza lmfao" and then I woke up today and was like why the fuck do I care and deleted the comments. Guy was cool though and understood. Those comments are still there

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DarkSoulDeep t1_itq43ls wrote

Replying to extordi (#218,493)

500f yes. My husband worked for a pizzeria and makes homes pizzas all the time. We tried a stone and hated it. We got thin pizza pans from a restaurant supplier. It's been great. We do not make thin pizzas. We make extra large , full of toppings (tomato sauce, black olives, spinach, onions, mozzarella and spices) with decent sized crusts. For us 5 mins would give us a extremely under-cooked pizza. Recently we bought pizza pans in kids size for the kids to make their own creations, those cook much faster because they are so small.

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cgibsong002 t1_itqm7ta wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#218,712)

And you can also argue it takes an extra 20s to boil extra water for a standard cup vs half the water for iced. That's just ridiculous if you're arguing about a few seconds.

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razzec_phone t1_itqxts6 wrote

Replying to hedgybaby (#219,007)

Lol. Yeah, places like Walmart and Kroger usually have one that's basically the same as the taco blend but without the taco seasoning mixed in. Not sure why they call it Fiesta blend but mah, still good lol

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IVIaster222 t1_itw9a3z wrote

Replying to PandaKing185 (#219,116)

To be honest I have no idea why it even got downvoted in the first place. It's not like I took any offense to it, but I guess others did for me. There are two sides of the spectrum, those that say cold pizza has to be cooked first to be pizza, and those that say a prepped pizza is already a pizza, so it's pizza without being cooked.

I fell on the latter end, but both ways could be true depending on your definition of pizza. If we are playing by the book, I'd say it would make more sense for it to need to be heated for it to be a pizza, but I still would call a frozen pizza a pizza so I didn't think about it by the book at the time.

Either way you look at it though, it's not really worth arguing over something this simple in the grand scheme of things, lol. It was still a pretty good shower thought, and much better than other generic ones I hear all the time. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, so arguing over opinions will just lead to people getting upset. It's when we are arguing with facts that it's more understandable though, but even so I'd say it's more important to remain civil and friendly rather than bashing people because of an opinion. Not something you see often online sadly, that's for sure.

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