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[deleted] t1_itoex5d wrote

Reply to comment by IVIaster222 in It takes longer to make a cold pizza than a hot pizza by PandaKing185

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IVIaster222 t1_itof36v wrote

Cooking a pizza is different from simply making a pizza. You can make a pizza and not heat it up. To cook one, you would indeed have to heat it up before it can cool down. Otherwise though, it is cold before it is hot.

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OkOwl3606 t1_itofhha wrote

If you dont put it in the oven the dough and yeast wont become bread. Sooooooo its not a pizza till you heat it

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IVIaster222 t1_itogirf wrote

I'd argue that pizza dough with toppings on it is just an uncooked pizza, in the same way that cookie dough is just an uncooked cookie, or that cake batter is just uncooked cake.

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Finb0 t1_itousrz wrote

But is cookie dough really a cookie? And what happens if you bake a cake with the cookie dough? Is it a cake? How long has it been a cake and not a cookie?

I agree though that you don't have to heat a pizza to call it a pizza. You could, for example, put pizza topping on a tortilla and argue that it's a pizza without heating it

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hedgybaby t1_itp8vmj wrote

As an italian I want to cry but also taste the tortizza

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razzec_phone t1_itprd1a wrote

They are delicious. Here's how I make them for one of my boys:

Grab a tortilla and lay it out flat on a baking sheet. Cover it evenly with a thin layer of cheese. I usually add insult to injury here by using taco blend shredded cheese for this step.

Cover this with another tortilla. Add your pizza sauce and spread it out evenly, making sure not to use too much. Then add your regular shredded cheese (Mozzarella or Fiesta blend) and then top with your toppings of choice.

Mine are usually ground beef and crumbled bacon. The son I usually make this for likes Italian sausage and the other son will sometimes eat his with just pepperoni.

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hedgybaby t1_itq2nkl wrote

fiesta blend???

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razzec_phone t1_itqxts6 wrote

Lol. Yeah, places like Walmart and Kroger usually have one that's basically the same as the taco blend but without the taco seasoning mixed in. Not sure why they call it Fiesta blend but mah, still good lol

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Livid-Ad4102 t1_itp0k5y wrote

You can't bake a cake with cookie dough that's just an odd shaped cookie

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Finb0 t1_itp0os4 wrote

What if you put several layers to it? And topping, cookies rarely have toppings right?

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Ballbag94 t1_itp6bnk wrote

I would say that it's the constituent parts and differences in consistency that makes something what it is, not its final physical appearance

If you put icing and sweets on top of a cookie it doesn't stop being a cookie, it's just an iced cookie. If you layer a bunch of cookies I think you could probably call it a cookie cake, but it's not just "cake" as it doesn't have the right composition, it's simply cookies in the form of a cake

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Finb0 t1_itpwr0a wrote

Well, that's where I agree with you as for my main argument about the tortilla pizza.

I can't agree that cookie dough is a cookie though, which a commenter stated earlier.

So if we take uncooked cookie dough and layer it I couldn't call it a cookie in the form of a cake; it's fundamental to cook the dough before it's a cookie

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Ballbag94 t1_itpxcxl wrote

>I can't agree that cookie dough is a cookie though,

Definitely, it doesn't count as a cookie until it's baked, part of being a cookie requires baking, but once the dough is mixed I don't think it can become anything other than a cookie

>So if we take uncooked cookie dough and layer it I couldn't call it a cookie in the form of a cake; it's fundamental to cook the dough before it's a cookie

Completely agree there, I'd call it cookie dough in the form of a cake, however once baked I wouldn't call it a cake, because it doesn't have the composition required of a cake

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Finb0 t1_itpxr1m wrote

Hahah okay but what if we put a cake foundation under the cookie dough cake (and between each layer), is it a cake now with cookie dough filling? The cookie dough has in this case also become something else than a cookie; a cake filling?

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Ballbag94 t1_itpxxf9 wrote

Hmm...I think in this instance we've created a new object by combining cookies with cake, a cakie if you will

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Helpful_Assistance_5 t1_itouasl wrote

I'm fairly sure one of the criteria for "COOK-ie" is for the process to involve cooking. Otherwise it's just a "Lumpy" and no one wants that.

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Balazumi t1_itp34nc wrote

No- bake cookies?

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loki1887 t1_itppq8s wrote

Those are a joke. Globs of nonsense. I never had a no-bake "cookie" and have been glad I ate it.

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nIBLIB t1_itp1xb6 wrote

It’s not a pizza until you slide it out of the oven!

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TbonerT t1_itpenzp wrote

It’s a pizza the moment you put your fists in it to shape the dough.

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NewPac t1_itplvlj wrote

This is the exact comment I was looking for. Thank you.

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IVIaster222 t1_itohgvb wrote

Cookie dough, cake batter, and brownie batter are all also things that are not considered edible before they are cooked, yet people eat them all the time. Albeit in small doses (I'd hope.)

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FizzleFox t1_itp1zvw wrote

The definition of pizza includes the word baked.

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KmKz_NiNjA t1_itpeqbt wrote

I don't understand why you're getting downvoted. The uncooked assembled parts of a pizza aren't really a pizza.

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IVIaster222 t1_itohtxm wrote

Think of it like an egg. An egg is an egg regardless if it's cooked or not. You do not eat an egg before it is cooked, but that doesn't take away that it is an egg. A pizza, hot or cold is a pizza based on the dough/crust, a sauce of some sort, cheese/toppings. If I see a frozen pizza, I still consider it a pizza. Would I eat it cold? No. But it is cold before I heat it up.

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Designer_Storyteller t1_itp0hnd wrote

I disagree.

Grapes are not wine until crushed and fermented (simplified I know) Cement is not concrete until it dries. Cake batter is not a cake until it’s baked.

None of the initial three items above are their latter item. You do not treat any three of them the same. You do not walk on wet cement. You do not ice and decorate raw cake batter (least most people do not attempt to as the result would be messy) and you literally only have grape juice if you crush grapes, no getting drunk over some smooshed fruits.

In ALL of these there is literal chemical change involved to create a new compound. AKA You can not go back, it is NOT the same item as before.

So the pizza item here is not pizza. Because the dough has yet react to the heat and ‘compound’ into the crust we all know and love(or hate).

So I disagree with YOUR logic of an uncooked pizza is not yet chemically “a pizza.”

I emphasis “your” because Someone above called a tortilla with pizza toppings a pizza, and then that just becomes what I perceive to be an argument of linguistics/etymology . All your egg example is an etymology issue. We just don’t have a word for cooked egg like we do other meats or goodies.

Edited for grammar and spelling. Probably still shitty.

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Until_Morning t1_itp4kzz wrote

This is so dishonest. An egg is a single thing. It's not a combination of things. So of course it's always going to be what it is whether or not it's been cooked. But the other examples they gave were valid. An uncooked pizza is as much a pizza as cake batter is cake, brownie batter is brownies, or cookie dough is cookies. Things that actually have multiple ingredients. Uncooked pizza isn't actually pizza because there's no bread. Just uncooked yeast. You don't present someone An uncooked pizza and say "look, I've made a pizza" 💀

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IVIaster222 t1_itoij0j wrote

Lol, I'm just a random guy on the internet with an opinion that doesn't really even matter. No need to change your post to appease me. I didn't type all of that to bash you, just to point out that IMO a cold pizza is also considered a pizza. Could I have done it in a less demeaning way? Looking back, absolutely. No way to turn back time though, and regardless neither of our lives were really changed by the outcome anyways. It was an interesting shower thought at least, one of the more original ones I've seen lately.

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[deleted] t1_itoinqm wrote

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IVIaster222 t1_itoiuud wrote

Glad to hear that. Not often you see that online, especially in a subreddit such as this one. Arguing online over important topics is never something I care for. Over topics that literally don't matter though? I'm all for it until it gets out of hand lol

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PandaKing185 OP t1_itoiyqr wrote

Yeah I kinda just got tired of arguing which is why I said that lol. I don't really care. Have a good day

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IVIaster222 t1_itoj5kh wrote

Fair enough, better off using your time on something that is actually beneficial or enjoyable. You as well, take care of yourself.

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Megacole1 t1_itolt03 wrote

I like to argue on the internet too. I find it really fun sometimes.

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Rly_Shadow t1_itotztw wrote

Perhaps you should look into online discussions instead of arguments lol. NOW THATS where you get those satisfactory moments.

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Megacole1 t1_itomeih wrote

Though it might be considered pizza, when people "make food" it is assumed that it is in its final finished form. You dont make eggs and then they are raw. The same you dont make pizza and its raw. (See how i talked about eggs too lol). In the context of the question pizza would take longer to be made cold.

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FizzleFox t1_itp2e1p wrote

Idk why you being downvoted. The literal definition of a pizza includes the word baked in it.

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