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Achlyse t1_je1e94n wrote

Reply to comment by Apprehensive_Fuel873 in The reason you were born is to be productive & exploited your whole life, as a reward you're sold freedom in years that you wouldn't be a productive worker anyway. by KHUSTOM

No matter what economic structure, OPs statement is generally true. If you don't produce in your prime years, you are a drain on a society. Communism or whatever else you're implying doesn't fix that unfortunately.

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Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_je1elm9 wrote

And whose exploiting you if you own the value of your labour? Who exploits the subsistence farmer?

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mainthrowawaydmtits t1_je1go6f wrote

Also, many socialist believe in being able to maximize free time for people. We're much more productive than even 30 years ago, but because the capitalists own the tools that increase productivity, we get paid the same but are expected more output instead of being able to produce the same output and work less for the same amount. The system will literally punish those who increase efficiency.

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Apprehensive_Fuel873 t1_jeb5ypm wrote

Yup. There is little incentive for a proletarian in a capitalist system to actually maximise the value of their labour for the capitalist that owns the means of production to which they apply their labour. Their incentive is the same as the capitalist. To maximise their profits on the least amount of investment. It's just the proletarian's investment is their labour.

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Capitalism literally incentivises lazy but crafty workers, just as it incentivises lazy but crafty investors. At least if you own the value of your own labour, there's an incentive to work harder, if you value material gain.

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UniqueUsername82D t1_je1igkc wrote

What system would work where everyone who wants to sits around on their asses? Who is going to run sewage treatment and repair power lines during blizzards?

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