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MikeMac999 t1_iv65sxy wrote

Reply to comment by StonksGuy3000 in Governor debate… A question by Subject_Ad_2919

Gore admitted defeat for the good of the country, even though his case was not built on lies the way Trumps is. Calling Trump an illegitimate president has roots in issues with the electoral college vs Trump not winning the majority of the popular vote; easy enough to disagree with perhaps but again at least it’s based on rational argument and not willful deception. And while I’m far from a Biden fan, he’s not trying to take away your choice, you are free to vote for whomever you like, he’s just making it clear what the very likely consequences of giving the republicans the keys to our elections will be. I can’t say the dems have been terribly inspiring, but the alternative means the very real possibility of permanently rigged elections.

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dman_usa t1_iv66x81 wrote

the president isnt elected based on the popular vote LOL

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MikeMac999 t1_iv68hk9 wrote

Obviously, but that is the concept behind the illegitimacy of Trump’s term, he did not have a winning percentage of the voting population behind him, he simply benefited from the deeply flawed electoral college, gerrymandering etc.

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StonksGuy3000 t1_iv6omjf wrote

That doesn’t make him illegitimate, and you could argue it’s a threat to democracy to try to contest it on that basis, especially after the fact. I voted Hillary, I think Trump is a moron and uses dangerous rhetoric, but I still wouldn’t try to advance the claim that Trump is illegitimate or that Hillary won

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MikeMac999 t1_iv6qwrt wrote

I agree, I’m just saying that at least there’s an understandable reasoning behind the claim.

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StonksGuy3000 t1_iv6o5vh wrote

That’s such a weak argument though. The electoral college has already been in place for how long? Sure, we can advocate for change and try to establish a new/better system, but if those were the rules going in, it’s ridiculous to try to claim victory or an illegitimate president based on winning some other metric (i.e. popular vote).

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MikeMac999 t1_iv6rnat wrote

I’m not claiming anything; I agree that the election was decided correctly. My point, and this was a tangential thing anyway, was that it was at least understandable why people would feel that way. The law doesn’t support them but more people voted against him so at least there’s a logic to it. Trumps claim of winning in 2020 is based on nothing more than his desire to remain in office, even his henchman Barr said there was nothing to support that.

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