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thenewtbaron t1_j504you wrote

eh, not really. generally, you have been able to use experience or previous job level instead of college for the majority of positions for a while.

a lot of jobs on that list on the "new website" - the experience matters section of the employment website for the state didn't require college degrees before hand. many required less, like the lower clerical jobs just needed a high school diploma or GED equal and then there are more professional jobs that always cared more about your bonafides such as nursing licenses, and generally moving up in the state just required you to be at a lower level such as a clerical supervisor generally just needed you to have been a clerical worker for a while.

I think it does expand the list a little bit and puts a bit more emphasis on the experience, I don't think a couple thousand job openings will stop kids from going to college as a way to get education they would need to be able to get those jobs too.

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HeyZuesHChrist t1_j50gb13 wrote

Have you ever tried to apply for a job with the Commonwealth? They have made it nearly impossible to get a job at this point regardless of experience and education. Believe me, I’ve tried. I have scored a 100/100 on every application I have done and the top three scores are guaranteed an interview. I have never even had an interview and have never even heard back from the Commonwealth except for one time when I e-mailed the POC for the position myself. People without a college degree are never going to score high enough on their application to even be considered.

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thenewtbaron t1_j50tp2q wrote

Yes. I applied a shit ton 15 years ago and have been with the state ever since. It is hard internally too. a position opens up and many apply. I've been trying to move up for a while but haven't been able too for a LONG time.

I've also interviewed workers to be hired.

college degree doesn't effect your score unless you are using it as education in place of experience.

The state is sometimes hard to get into. There are only so many positions and while the money isn't great for the level of position you are in, the benefits and leave can't be beat. so you are competing against every other person who applies outside of state workers and competing against every other lower level state worker.

I don't know which positions you've applied for but there are ones that pop up all the time. clerk typists, income maintaince caseworkers and others.

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DelcoMan t1_j51fqw1 wrote

Part of your problem here isn't education, it's stuff like veterans preference.

A "perfect" score can have additional points on top of it for veterans, so some positions that attracted a lot of candidates would need you to have something like 110 points out of 100 before you had a realistic shot at getting called.

Back when I was still with the PA DOC we had an applicant list thousands of names long that were over the 100 point mark.

It may have changed since I left, but I doubt it.

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HeyZuesHChrist t1_j52g3a5 wrote

Actually that’s what happened one time. I know a guy who worked where I applied. When I told him I didn’t even get an interview he said they had hired a veteran. Those are the only ones who can score above a 100 I think. The dude didn’t even make it through the probationary period before they let him go.

Meanwhile, and not to give too much personal info away but I had been doing the exact job I applied for for 13 years at the time. This was a couple of years ago. I was a contractor and I had been doing the job for 13 years but because I was a contractor I was doing it with both of my hands tied behind my back. The job was in the same agency. They wouldn’t even need to train me so they really missed out. I was literally the PERFECT candidate.

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