Submitted by Existing-Papaya-8643 t3_10odek9 in Pennsylvania
drxdrg08 t1_j6g7djn wrote
Reply to comment by Muscadine76 in Universal Childcare for Pennsylvanians— and everyone in the US by Existing-Papaya-8643
> The estimate this year of nonpayers for federal income tax is closer to 40%
The figure is over 50% any year if you factor in redistribution that happens after taxes. If you pay $3000 in federal taxes but receive $30,000 in Medicaid coverage, SNAP and housing assistance, then that doesn't mean you are a "taxpayer" in the context of paying for new government programs.
Muscadine76 t1_j6gbkn8 wrote
The position that people who receive valuable taxpayer services aren’t taxpayers is incredibly disingenuous.
drxdrg08 t1_j6gtlsx wrote
It's not a position. It's a simple mathematical fact.
Muscadine76 t1_j6i5bh9 wrote
Now you’re either doubling down on disingenuousness or just aren’t familiar with what a “fact” actually is. If I pay $100 a month for house insurance for a year and at the end of that year my house burns down and I’m given $250,000 to rebuild, that doesn’t mean I was never an “insurance payer”. If I donate $10 to my local food bank every few months, then lose my job for a year and get $100s of dollars in food support from the pantry, that doesn’t mean I’m not a donor.
drxdrg08 t1_j6ic2g6 wrote
> If I pay $100 a month for house insurance for a year and at the end of that year my house burns down and I’m given $250,000 to rebuild, that doesn’t mean I was never an “insurance payer”.
Your analogy does not make sense. Government means tested benefits are not one time payments.
If your house burns down every year, and you get $250,000 every year while you only pay $1200 every year into the insurance pool... that's an accurate analogy.
If you give $1 to the government in taxes, and the government gives you $10 right back, that doesn't mean you can be counted on as a source of taxes for the next redistribution program that the government comes up with. This isn't rocket science to understand. This is basic math.
But I highly suspect that it's not that you don't understand, you just want to ignore inconvenient facts. That's what Reddit does, come up with a false narrative and ignore basic facts.
69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_j6i7qvs wrote
"Half of all Americans are too poor to pay federal taxes" is not the glowing endorsement of our tax system that you think it is.
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