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AJTTOTD t1_j1lpimf wrote

Agree but from a slightly different angle. I think the intent was that the individual household and consumer was asked to conserve, which is jarring. It's tough to justify turning off a few lights when tens of thousands of store lights stay on all night, casinos blaze light 1000 suns, and empty offices keep equipment running and heat at 72. The biggest places where actual electricity reductions could be noticed aren't the ones implementing the changes.

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Crawlerado t1_j1ls7d6 wrote

Exactly and this is how it’s going to be for our foreseeable future. Push the responsibility onto individual citizens while giving corporations a free pass. I’m sure all the abandon malls and mega warehouses shut their lights off this weekend….

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TransporterOffline t1_j1lx6xg wrote

Your reply and the one above hit the nail on the head. I have no clue why it is always our individual responsibility to make these changes when wasteful corporations make up double what we consume. At my office, they don't recycle. No one in the entire suburban office park recycles. So one of my coworkers set out a bin and takes our recycling to his home. Like, why does everything have to roll down to individuals like this when companies have the same access to light switches and recycling services and energy-saving fixtures we do, but they won't.

Edit: It reminds me of the phrase "We aren't going to paper-straw our way out of this problem."

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ellipses1 t1_j1msr9c wrote

The vast majority of what you “recycle” doesn’t get recycled… so people stop doing it because it was a facade

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TransporterOffline t1_j1mxzpn wrote

Which really drives home the point that corporations talk about social and environmental sensitivity, then lie and cheat to extract a better profit at the expense of what society really needs, while shoving the responsibility onto individuals.

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ellipses1 t1_j1my7r5 wrote

I don’t understand how your comment is relevant to what I said

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jirenlagen t1_j1m24p6 wrote

Yeah that part as well. Most businesses I’ve gone by still have their neon signs going even though they’re closed.

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DarthShitStain t1_j1mirb4 wrote

It's for the betterment of capitalism! It's not about you enjoying Christmas. It's about the money!

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Beneficial-Big-5021 t1_j1nsdlp wrote

Or voted for the wrong party. Democrats are taking away all the energy sources that we run off of; oil, gas, nuclear….

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Strong_Ad4053 t1_j1mlqel wrote

Has nothing to do with capitalism, it is politics. The electric company's have not been allowed to expand under the current state and federal government. Climate change you know ( insert eye roll ). Question, how will they charge all the electric cars they want us to buy?

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Zappastuski t1_j1mm68g wrote

I mean they literally got an NFL game delayed an hour in Tennessee because of stress on the grid. You don’t think they called all those place too to ask for a cutdown on usage?

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tdpdcpa t1_j1lqk6z wrote

“My wastefulness is justified by the wastefulness of others” is one hell of a take.

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AJTTOTD t1_j1lw85z wrote

You misunderstood. Let's say my family is comfy at 68 degrees with 2 lights and the TV on. I'm asked to conserve and turn something off. My office building is set at 72, hallways lights/monitors/printers/etc. are on with no one around or serving a purpose. The shopping center has 200 "security" non-LED lights on. Who is wasteful here? Lighting and heating empty spaces or the family being cozy?

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SecurelyObscure t1_j1mieqf wrote

Many offices do have motion sensor lights and after-hours HVAC settings, though. Also remote controls/monitoring and modern high efficiency heat exchangers that are many times more efficient per cubic foot.

And when there are tens of thousands of households vs dozens of office buildings in a service area, it's absolutely the households that are consuming the vast majority of energy, so it makes sense to try and reduce the demand where it's greatest.

Both can be wasteful, but you're the one being willfully wasteful.

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