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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iytmg3q wrote

I understand this is gross and wrong, but it strikes me that it’s better suited to opprobrium from peers or professors or expulsion from university or whatever than up to two years in the ACJ. Grabbing a cadaver’s dick for a laugh shouldn’t mean a year on bail and two years in reds.

Also the statute is vague as hell. What the hell are “ordinary family sensibilities” and how is a person supposed to conform his conduct to such a vague term?

And for what it’s worth, when I die, I literally do not give two shits what you do with my body.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie OP t1_iyto1ds wrote

>According to the criminal complaints, witnesses told police that student Sonel Jimenez manually sexually assaulted a female cadaver while smirking and making comments.

>What the hell are “ordinary family sensibilities”

Well, for one I'd say "Not fingering my loved ones corpse."

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iytoqcx wrote

That’s all fine and well, but it blurs the line a bit when you’ve given them the right to literally dissect your loved one’s vagina.

Again, not defending this conduct morally, but I’m not sure what ordinary sensibilities are when you’ve given grandpa to the university for experiments and study.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie OP t1_iytpyr0 wrote

Dude, he was fingering the corpse and making lewd comments. It doesn't blur any lines.

If my wife goes in for an OB GYN appointment and the doctor starts trying to finger bang her, that's illegal. Just because he has permission to examine her vagina doesn't mean you're allowed to finger blast it.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iytr0yo wrote

Of course it blurs the line. The families here gave license for the use of these bodies that literally includes the actual acts here. That fact is not different because the acts were accompanied by lewd comments. Maybe that’s legally significant or maybe it’s not, but it’s a hell of a thing to take 2 years of someone’s life for.
Maybe I just care less about what happens to my body when I die, but this just seems like grossly disproportionate.

And again, imagine a law that says it’s an M2 to “treat people in a way that would offend ordinary sensibilities.” That kind of vagueness is just an open door for arbitrary and discriminatory law enforcement. “Don’t be awful” is a good enough personal code I guess, but it’s hardly a legal one built for our already trash legal system.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iytpun8 wrote

And perhaps more importantly how broad is “treats a corpse in a way that would offend ordinary family sensibilities”?

Imagine yourself in say, Greene County, and imagine all the things that, say, a funeral director does and how they could offend “ordinary family sensibilities” of people there. Embalming offends some “ordinary” families. Putting makeup or other appearance enhancements could offend others. Acknowledging that the person was divorced, or gay, or atheist, or in drug recovery, or so on, could come under the sweep of this statute, and the punishment is up to 2 years in jail.

For my part, I would think that these students are immature as fuck, and they need to learn, not be put into the carceral system. If prosecution leads to that, great. But our jail is full of actual dangerous people, and it shouldn’t be full of stupid ass kids.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie OP t1_iytqha3 wrote

I've read a lot of dumb things from a lot of stupid people on Reddit.

This may be the dumbest thing I've ever read from one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this platform.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iytrmau wrote

Not sure why you feel a need to veer into personal attacks here man. Have a good night.

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cleanforever t1_iyv8c92 wrote

How the fuck does the professional work a funeral director does by request of the family having the funeral even remotely compare to the perversion that is sexual abuse of a corpse. Apples and potatoes. And yes it should be criminally just as it would for anyone NOT in a university that abuses a corpse.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyvltef wrote

There’s nothing in the statute that doesn’t apply to funereal requests, and there’s nothing in the statute that says if the (or some members of the) family request something, it’s not still a basis for liability.

Contrariwise, there is language in the comment to the statute that indicates that it’s reference to authorization by other law means to exempt those engaged in academic settings.

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Illustrious_Air_1438 t1_iyx1e69 wrote

I agree that this law is very vague. "Ordinary family sensibilities" is practically meaningless.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyxb8ht wrote

And certainly different today than it was when the law was enacted. And different within families.

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VeeTheBee86 t1_iyu1f6b wrote

>And for what it’s worth, when I die, I literally do not give two shits what you do with my body.

This is fine, but this is you stating consent to do so. These people donated their bodies to science and consented to being used for educational purposes, not lewd or disrespectful ones.

For me, the important context here is that these students are training to be medical professionals. Respect of bodily consent is key to that field. Respect of people's sensibilities toward death and the handling of bodies post-mortem is also going to be key to their job because they'll likely see a decent amount of it in their profession. If they can't be trusted to treat the body of a dead person with respect, it's fair for the college to question what kind of grace they'd extend a living one.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyu3sl4 wrote

I don’t think we have any facts on whether or to what degree the deceased would have cared, but I agree with your points otherwise.

I just think this transgression is one that should be dealt with via learning the points you’ve raised, or via personal and university sanctions, not criminal ones. Maybe the criminal process will be the cudgel to make that learning happen. But if these folks do 2 years at the ACJ, that’s a gross overreaction.

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VeeTheBee86 t1_iyvgjei wrote

I highly doubt they’ll go to jail, in all honesty. It’s probably more that the potential hangs there as a threat to emphasize the seriousness of the crime in the most extreme situations. They’ll likely get probation and a fine. Now, for what the school will do is another situation. These two may very well be on their way to academic censure, if not suspension.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyvlh7y wrote

I mean, I’d prefer a disposition that’s has a little more learning. Impose some ARD that has x-100 hours of community service in connection with funereal directors or palliative care for the elderly or something. Use the opportunity to rehabilitate. These aren’t hardened criminals who are dangerous to the community. They’re kids who need to be taught a lesson.

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ManfredsJuicedBalls t1_iyvhnqo wrote

Have some fuckin’ respect for the dead

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyvl8dp wrote

Sure. I do. But have some respect for what taking two years of someone’s life is.

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ManfredsJuicedBalls t1_iyvnby8 wrote

If they can’t respect the dead? Fuck that noise!

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyvtx6v wrote

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but in mine, prison is meant for people who represent a threat to the community so that they have to be isolated. These are kids just out of high school who need to grow the fuck up, not threats to the community.

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ManfredsJuicedBalls t1_iyvuu1v wrote

Cool.

So when you croak, we’ll let someone violate your dead body in ways you would not have approved of when you were alive. No big deal, right?

If you find it no big deal… seek professional help. Badly.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_iyvv6mb wrote

I literally do not care what happens to my body when I die. And I certainly don’t want my dignity to be used as a basis to put kids in prison years later.

I’m not suggesting it’s not wrong or morally reprehensible. But it’s not what prison is for.

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ManfredsJuicedBalls t1_iyvvrko wrote

Seek help. Badly

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Illustrious_Air_1438 t1_iyx0b8s wrote

This is silly. Not everyone is religious so people have different views about what happens to you after you die. To me a corpse is just dead organic matter with no significance whatsoever, so I don't care what happens to my body. You disagree, which is fine - your preferences should be respected. But there's no reason to impose them on everyone else.

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