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yazzy886 t1_iwkray4 wrote

Reply to comment by redditornot6648 in Gov. Greg Abbott expands Texas’ migrant busing plan to Philadelphia by audiomuse1

Well, learn some Pakistani then, make some new friends. Stop being scared of culture and embrace it. Educate yourself about immigration and the American economy, It’s 2022 ffs.

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Zmoser1794 t1_iwl22zx wrote

Soooooooo deny American culture to make Pakistani culture feel normal in 2022 America? I'm pretty sure throughout all of America history, all immigrants got shit on until they blended their culture with our culture. We are a melting pot for a reason.

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AnthroNJ t1_iwlxkd8 wrote

What is “American culture”

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Zmoser1794 t1_iwly8wi wrote

It's pretty much Western culture as a whole because it blended so hard that I'm not entirely sure where it stops. Our lives as a whole in America are so next level going to places that don't have running water feels like it's crazy and shouldn't exist in 2022. Then you have Hollywood and McDonald's and other franchises that took over so much mom and pop shops it's aggravating and upsetting at the same time, but people still go to Walmart because it's what Americans do. Car culture and living the dream as they say.

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Icweiner412 t1_iwlmr4x wrote

I like the idea that you recognize that America is a melting pot then turn around and act like the introduction of new cultures is some kind of imposition. No one cares if you're racist. That's not a good reason not to let people immigrate here as they've always done. Over time,these new cultures will be integrated into our existing one. Immigrations is our strength,it's what makes our country great,and its no thanks to people like you

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Zmoser1794 t1_iwlwzjq wrote

I literally said the exact same thing you did fascist. Immigration will always be a part of America, and once that's recognized as American culture, the better you bigot.

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PhillAholic t1_ix243l6 wrote

You didn’t though? You’re complaining about Pakistani culture for some reason. No one knows what you’re talking about. People come here and live their lives. People who move here as adults don’t usually fully assimilate, but each generation after typically does.

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ArchaeoJones t1_iwndmia wrote

There is no such thing as "American culture" unless you are speaking about Native Americans.

We are a country of blended ideologies and cultures. We don't have a culture.

You're talking about American racism. Everything not "us" is "evil" and "should be stomped out"

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Zmoser1794 t1_iwnx4wa wrote

If you left America tomorrow and went to Europe, they wouldn't call you white or black or brown or any other color in the rainbow. They would call you an American, and that is the truth. Get your head out of the bigot gutter and travel a bit. The blended ideology and culture is American culture. You puddle.

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ArchaeoJones t1_iwo4q8m wrote

Cute. Ass backwards wrong, but still cute.

Yes, when I went to Italy, they called me American, because that's where I was from. (Also to be fair, my pronunciation of the language wasn't the best as I learned from my grandparents, and they have a very northern Italian local dialect that doesn't work everywhere) Much like anyone from France, Germany, etc, would be called where they're from.

That would be because culture isn't about the place you're born, you absolute donkey. It's shared customs, beliefs, art, etc. We barely have that, because we choose to think of ourselves as (insert epithet)-American. That could be something as small as a regional epithet such as state, medium scale as directional (Southern, northeastern, western), or larger scale such as adding another country (Italian-American, Irish-American, etc). We are a young country. A few scant hundreds of years old. Culture is developed over a macro scale of time, not micro.

Also, what you are harping on about in your original diatribe, is cultural suppression, not adaptation or amalgamation. Lets take your one comment;

>all immigrants got shit on until they blended their culture with our culture.

This line of thinking here is racist as fuck, because you seem to think that shit stopped when someone became "Americanized" enough. Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but that dog don't hunt. Easiest way to point that shit out is post Pearl Harbor, post 9/11 or during COVID.

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Zmoser1794 t1_iwpa1es wrote

Okay, so let me get this straight. I'm racist because I believe in the fact that we , as people of America, have a shared cultural experience. We all have had family come here at one point in time to look for a better life. They came here and learned the language, got the job or started the family business, and started living the "American Dream." You're saying since we lable things (insert-epithet) American that you're okay with always segregating and we are never going to be one people as a whole. I'm pretty sure that makes you racist for not seeing other people at the same level that you are because your separate "culture" is better or different than whatever other American version someone else has. I have never said I do not welcome immigration into this great country, and I never said to suppress or segregate a people as a whole. Get your fascist thinking out of here and start seeing people as people. I can't believe people like you are so racist and backward.

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ArchaeoJones t1_iwpsg9q wrote

No kid, you're a racist because you seem to think that all anyone has to do to be accepted into American Exceptionalism is subdue their cultural identity and "blend in".

That's not how this country has ever worked. And calling me "bigot" or "fascist" for calling you out on it doesn't help your case any. I even quoted you, so if you're going to meltdown on anyone, maybe look in the mirror and confront your own shit first.

This country is not all star-spangled awesome, nore should it ever be treated that way. We are a blend of ideas and cultures. Not wholly one, but from many, homogenized into something that works. But we should never forget what this country has done to the people in it.

So maybe start acting like a member of that instead of forcing others to fit as a member of your narrative.

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Zmoser1794 t1_iwpvddi wrote

You know you're right. Thank you for this conversation, and I'll keep on growing as a person. American heritage and idealism are not black or white, and I'll keep this in mind for future reference.

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