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Diarygirl t1_ivjwb5y wrote

Reply to comment by timewellwasted5 in Todays The Big Day Everybody!!! Get Out And Vote!! by TyeDyeAmish

Have you ever been to Pennsylvania?

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivjx9sd wrote

Yes, I've lived here for 35 years.

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Diarygirl t1_ivjz43p wrote

That's weird because you don't seem to understand how the PA legislature works or that most of the Republicans' priority has been litigating the 2020 election.

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivk1gh8 wrote

>how the PA legislature works

Anything, whether a law or spending, needs to pass through both houses on the PA legislature (PA House and PA Senate) and then be signed by the governor. The legislature can only override the governor if they have a veto proof majority, which neither party currently has. Thus, the Republican controlled legislature and the Democratic governor currently need to both sign off on any budgetary expenditures, tax modifications, or laws of any type. Anything I missed?

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TacoNomad t1_ivk752o wrote

Can you give some examples of laws that have passed the legislature and been denied by the governor?

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivk8b30 wrote

Certainly, here are bills that he vetoed by year:

2022 - 10 bills

2021 - 5 bills

2020 - 19 bills

2019 - 4 bills

2018 - 5 bills

2017 - 3 bills

2016 - 8 bills

2015 - 10 bills if you include the line item veto, 9 if you don't

Total: 64 (65 if you count the line item veto)

That covers all his years in office and was easy to find with a quick Google search. Happy to help :)

Source: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/CL/Public/cl_view_action1.cfm?sess_yr=&sess_ind=0&cl_typ=BV&cl_nbr=

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TacoNomad t1_ivk9xw5 wrote

Thanks. That's helpful. I'm reviewing the vetoed bills, I should have asked more directly, which vetoed bills you find important that he vetoed.

Looking at some of these, well, some are really odd, unnecessary or clearly in bad faith, so I'm thankful we have a sane governor looking out for us. I'm curious if there are any in particular that you you believe were vetoed in bad faith

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivkb00h wrote

Not at all. I actually like Tom Wolf. I don't always agree with him, but I believe he's a good dude and his intentions are genuine.

What I DON'T like is when people blindly say Republicans have some stranglehold on power and the direction of the state which very clearly isn't there. Anything passed over the last eight years in PA required the signoff of the Republican legislature and the Democratic governor. Saying anything else, such as what was suggested in the original comment I replied to, is wholly false.

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TacoNomad t1_ivkbnv3 wrote

I agree with that. But one factor is, if there is a republican majority, lots of democrat led policy won't even make it to the governor. Who controls the legislature is definitely a factor in what laws are proposed. I like, at least, that Pennsylvania is a purple state and that there is potential for all voices to be heard. But having the majority control still does have impacts.

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivkc4ia wrote

>if there is a republican majority, lots of democrat led policy won't even make it to the governor.

And if there is a Democratic governor, most Republican policy won't make it in to law. It's literally the system of checks and balances working exactly as intended. The odds of a 50/50 Democrat/Republican legislature split are astronomically low. Ergo, Republicans are not 'running the state' as originally suggested. Our system of checks and balances is in place and is working.

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NotNowDamo t1_ivln0jd wrote

And that's why you think we had 16 governors in 20 years?

Also, Wolf, Corbett, Rendell, Schwieker (not elected), Ridge.

It's been alternating between republican and democrat.

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivlpptb wrote

Hey, I’m not trying to insult you, but I said 16 of the last 20 years. A year is 365 days. So what I said was, for the most recent 20 year period (2002-2022), during 16 of those years, a democrat was the governor. Your reading comprehension skills failed you miserably here.

Also, Tom Ridge was the governor 21 years ago, not 20. Like man I cannot stress how much you swung and missed on reading what a '20 year period' was here...

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NotNowDamo t1_ivlv0iz wrote

Lol, you clearly did not say 16 years.

And yeah, I know how long ago Ridge was governor.

You not being able to tell two different points being made (even with a return in there to show a new paragraph) AND you not realizing that you were not clear in your original comment says more about your communicating skills than mine.

I am not trying to insult you, but you are not very good at this.

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timewellwasted5 t1_ivm0dyj wrote

>including 16 of the last 20 years

^ That's the direct, unedited quote straight from my Reddit post above. You can see that it wasn't edited. Don't hurt yourself putting your foot in your mouth dude, but try to learn some humility along the way...

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NotNowDamo t1_ivm9gc4 wrote

I have no proof that you did or did not edit the post. But I will grant you that I may have misread it and now misremember it.

Everything else I said still stands, and the fact that 16 of the last 20 years being a Democrat governor has no meaning because Pennsylvania has traditionally gone every other governor to the other party.

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