Submitted by Hanaaaah t3_yiul8a in Pennsylvania
axeville t1_ium86wv wrote
Reply to comment by spicynuggies in Im French and I would like to move to the United States ( Pennsylvania ) by Hanaaaah
Don't leave your free healthcare enormous tuition subsidies topless beaches and 6 weeks of leave a year minimum. The food is shitty here unless you're rich and the weather is highly unpredictable. Most people here are barely surviving. If you want to be a billionaire move to Silicon Valley all our billionaires are coal miners and oil tycoons or the children of them.
BasileusLeoIII t1_iumb3ox wrote
The median household income in PA is $63,627. In France, it's $40,094.
There are less safety nets for the bottom portion of society in the US, but your average American is significantly wealthier and better off than your average Frenchman or European.
postsgiven t1_iumcgvo wrote
And all french people get free healthcare + other free things so it's not even the same thing. That extra $20k goes away the second you have to do an x-ray in the hospital...
BasileusLeoIII t1_iumekqe wrote
The overwhelming majority of middle and upper class Americans receive healthcare through their employer. Such people are not spending $20,000 a year every year on medical expenses; that assertation is absurd.
I get that america = bad on reddit, but we're talking numbers here. The millions of people per year who uproot their lives to start fresh in America aren't doing so out of ignorance.
audreypea t1_iumgyyy wrote
Most people are still paying for healthcare through their employer. I pay $130 per paycheck, which is $3,380 a year just to be insured. Then my out of pocket max for the year is $7k. I meet it every year because I’m unlucky enough to be an American with medical conditions I didn’t ask for. So I’m paying over $10k a year, even with my fancy employer insurance.
BasileusLeoIII t1_iumhwoy wrote
Ok, so you're on average $13k ahead compared to a similarly situated Frenchman. I'd personally fight pretty hard for a $13k a year raise, especially if it came with vastly superior healthcare treatment outcomes and wait times
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BasileusLeoIII t1_iumkq59 wrote
Yeah that's the point bozo, you can't.
The median person's wages in the US are $23k higher than the median Frenchman's. Subtracting a generous 10k for the healthcare estimates of the above user, the same worker earns $13k more in the US every year.
We don't have the ability to just ask for raises that high; this is why the US is the most popular immigration destination in the world. Because its people are quite significantly wealthier, due to their higher wages and lower cost of goods.
Naïve of you to not read or understand any of the above conversation, interject with an irrelevant point and personal insult, and think that you've made a compelling point.
sebko1 t1_iumyiee wrote
" free healthcare + other free things" that's a funny way of saying 'taxpayer funded'
postsgiven t1_iun30m0 wrote
We pay taxes also in the USA yet we don't get any of that. If my taxes increased a $1 a month and it saved lives i would do it and that's basically how much it increases for everyday people. Rich people it increases a lot more but they are rich they have money to live.
KFCConspiracy t1_iumcb58 wrote
I'm not sure that better off is correct. If you're making 60k, your average american's healthcare will be insufficient for major medical expenses. Also, your average American isn't saving enough for retirement. If you correct for the benefits gap there, the take-home looks pretty similar, with the American having a lower life expectancy and less paid time off.
Patari2600 t1_iumj7ui wrote
When looking at median Disposable income for US is about $43k, and for France it is $29k. Median Disposable income takes into account medical expenses and retirement savings, as well as rent costs, taxes, etc. basically its how much money is left over after all life expenses. So people still make more here than France. Though the French do get a lot more time out
KFCConspiracy t1_iumq0u6 wrote
OK, but you still don't end up bankrupt in France over something like getting cancer, so that disposable income doesn't really tell the whole story about benefits. And they have a 5 year longer life expectancy, their infant mortality rate is 50% of ours.
Although I was surprised to learn we have almost exactly the same rate of poverty among seniors with their stronger pension program.
PsyPharmSci t1_iun5n06 wrote
Do a full budget including rent, food, internet (you'll need it for school, it's not a luxury and it's not cheap), books and supplies, you'll need warm clothing, probably cold medicine at some point, toiletries and basic pots and pans, and transportation costs. Really flesh out the budget to meet your needs. Don't forget health insurance in whatever way you can get it. Part time employees do not get health insurance even offered. You'll likely get it through school.
Try to see what kind of job you'll be able to get and use THAT income figure. I lived in State College over a decade ago and the rent was insane then and only has gotten worse. Check availability and look up costs of utilities where they're not included.
Look at the rate of inflation over the last two years, project the same percentage increase (or up it a bit) and take your yearly income from that job you can get and apply it to your budget. You will NOT get a raise, so don't bother planning for it. Inflation up, wages stagnant.
The minimum wage in PA is $7.25 or $7.50 an hour. A gallon of milk and a loaf of fresh white bread in State College totals $5.57.
The safety nets are under attack. Don't count on them. Scholarships rarely cover all expenses. If I could go back and talk to 19 year old me, I'd say "not worth it, don't do it."
Really dig and do the research to see if you will actually be better off. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone from your country.
axeville t1_iuo6d0v wrote
If you end up w a disability in the us you're begging for help on the streets. If you can't work your own insurance will terminate you when the employer stops paying. If you have a jumbo claim the insurer will red line you even if you work and good luck.
This is the land of opportunity but so is Singapore and Dubai.
BasileusLeoIII t1_iuo8cl6 wrote
> This is the land of opportunity but so is Singapore and Dubai
You can see that OP's name is Hannah - but you're so eager to try to dunk on America that you'd suggest she move to Dubai, in a country where she literally needs a male guardian's permission to work?
cringiest reddit moment I've ever seen
sincerely, get a fucking clue
axeville t1_iuowg81 wrote
You may want to check with the google on that. Dubai is not Saudi Arabia. Expat women can work drive etc.
Also you're claiming op is a woman based on a Reddit Nick? Lolllll welcome to the internet
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