Submitted by Open_Veins_8 t3_yifo9d in Pennsylvania
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dreamerindogpatch t1_iuijjos wrote
Well, if they win, nothing happens because of course the election was legal and correct and fraud-free. But if they lose, it was obviously corrupt and illegal and full of fraud (even though they won't be able to find evidence or proof).
oldschoolskater t1_iuipl6n wrote
It's going to be interesting how each party is going to handle it if we end up with a Republican winning one election and a Democrat winning the other. It'll be hard to make an argument for one candidate and not the other.
Open_Veins_8 OP t1_iuirmoq wrote
If you look at Bucks County last election, Trump lost, but Republican Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick won. Yet, local Republicans insisted Trump actually won and there was fraud. In fact, Bucks GOP head Pat Poprik was a fake elector.
delco_trash t1_iuisd9i wrote
The votes may or may not be counted in future elections depending on the next secretary of state.
Just want to say, don't expect Shapiro to win just because he's a sane human being.
The GOP is crazy and they will come out and vote.
Keinichn t1_iuit57q wrote
> It'll be hard to make an argument for one candidate and not the other.
Not in the slightest. 2020 had elected people screaming voter fraud against the very same ballots that put them in office and some were even using the fact it was a split win as evidence, claiming it made it "look real."
Additional_Storage_5 t1_iuiu4st wrote
They won't be deniers anymore.
No-Setting9690 t1_iuizk6i wrote
I know what you mean, but it's so ironic to have an election denier win an election they deny the results.
Buffmin t1_iuj2rar wrote
Depends if Oz wins but Doug Mussolini loses suddenly there will be fraud but only in the gov race!
billstrash t1_iuj51jb wrote
This is rich. Do you really think the Fetterman supporters (an almost surefire loss) and Shapiro supporters (likely D, but what if?...) are going to magically just accept the losses? GTFOOWTMFBS.
crazypants9 t1_iuj83nr wrote
Democracy dies. That’s what happens. They figure power in their hands trumps elections. Evil walks. It lives next door. Across the street. Down the road. They have nothing but lies and hatred to give. They applaud Mr. Pelosi being attacked with a hammer in his HOME. That’s who they are, and what they represent.
HealthyAd9415 t1_iuj945i wrote
Yes. Because that’s how democracy works
cigarmanpa t1_iujdjhc wrote
Accurate username is accurate
Janderss182 t1_iujdkxs wrote
To be fair all the democrats said 2016 was stolen and we’re all still here today lol. Not a trump guy but couldn’t give any fucks about Nancy pelosi or her husband because those people are criminals lol
wagsman t1_iujeupe wrote
No no, if they win, that election was perfectly fine, but they will tell us how we can imagine how bad it could've been, and because of that, we need to kill democracy. /s
Dunn_or_what t1_iujfxhr wrote
I move in Oz' old mansion in NJ, claim squatters rights, and make him nuts for the next six years. He's not using it.
adwvn t1_iujgkgs wrote
Democrats love to smear republicans as election deniers, but Dems are always guilty too.
Hillary did it when she lost to trump. She revived Mccarthyist-style (false) accusations of labeling people as "Russian assets" or "Putin puppets." She maintains her unfounded convictions to this day- that the election wasn't authentic, that it was tampered by the big bad evil Boogeyman from Russia. Throughout Trump's term the Dem party tried to deligitimize him and promoted his censorship from social media while he was in office, preventing ordinary people from hearing the messages of a sitting President.
So yeah, Democrats will definitely cry that they were wronged by imaginary forces when they lose. It couldn't ever possibly be that working class citizens don't trust them.
And before any of you smooth-brained boot licking liberals start calling me a Trumper, I'm a socialist and haven't supported either of the two rotten parties.
crazypants9 t1_iujh9qu wrote
lol lol. Sure. lol lol
Janderss182 t1_iujhxpr wrote
Hey I’m just here to have a conversation and not shout into the void like most people. Tell me where I’m wrong or where u disagree
Odd-Neighborhood5119 t1_iujj4g8 wrote
That's why every dem needs to get out and vote
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iujjlu9 wrote
I was there. They did? What they said, genius, is that Russian trolls were interfering in US mass media and social media to get Trump elected. And that’s true. No one said the actual ballots cast or the vote tallies were fraudulent. See how that works? Or is that too much for your brain cell?
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iujk5v5 wrote
Yup. And I voted for Biden and Fitzpatrick in 2020. I voted straight Dem this time because, fuck the GOP/GQP, even if Fitzpatrick is a decent guy. He didn’t stand up to the MAGAts, plus he’s pro-forced-birth.
Weekly_Signal6481 t1_iujkfk0 wrote
Doug is 100% losing
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iujkkpw wrote
Fetterman is still up 5 points in the latest ABC/Siena poll. And this former Republican just voted for him today. But if he loses (I doubt he will) no anti-MAGAt (it’s not just “Dems”) will say it was fraudulent. So … Wrong!
CoalCrackerKid t1_iujmrwq wrote
Election conspiracy folks are a schtick that's never going away now. When you pitch a lie that big, there's no going back from it.
The best tactic to battle them, that I can think of, is ranked voting in the general election to motivate parties to nominate less extreme candidates.
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iujnbxc wrote
Improper influence (Hillary’s claim) vs. fraudulent ballots and vote counts (Trump). If you cant see the massive, huge difference, then you’re not very bright. And Putin did try to influence the vote, and still is. And Trump still has an unseemly relationship with Putin. But that’s not saying that the actual ballots cast for Trump were fraudulent. Get it? No? Well, good luck.
crazypants9 t1_iujnc5m wrote
We all remember Hillary refused to concede. Then she sad the election was rigged and called her Proud Boys and other thugs to the Capitol. And tried to get her VP running mate hung at the gallows her mob set up. Cops died. The people inside smeared shit on the walls as they looked for Democrats to kill. Then she tried to go to the Capitol to personally run the coup attempt. Enough?
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iujnmu6 wrote
He could try. Bye bye Commonwealth.
Buffmin t1_iujo3u0 wrote
I hope so he legit scares me
narwhalfinger t1_iujoqo9 wrote
Nobody remembers when they act like a winge.
Janderss182 t1_iujpmfo wrote
You know I can condemn trump and still admit that Hilary Clinton said that the 2016 election was illegitimate
Janderss182 t1_iujpoix wrote
No-Professional-1884 t1_iujpr6v wrote
Weirdly, I think we did something like this before. 1770-something or other rings a bell.
Janderss182 t1_iujq3dc wrote
Actually Hillary Clinton said that trump was a Russian agent. There’s also a little thing called the Steele dossier btw, maybe take 3 seconds of ur time and look it up instead of trying to play gotcha
Woodyee101 t1_iujqj3t wrote
They deny they won
billfriedman9987 t1_iujrjsi wrote
If an election denier wins the election, do they concede?
billfriedman9987 t1_iujrog9 wrote
How could anyone vote for Fetterman after watching that debate? I like the guy, but he is not fit to serve in the US Senate.
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iujrqrd wrote
That changes absolutely nothing about what I said and the facts. Whether Trump was or is in bed with the Russians (he probably was and is), Hillary never claimed that the actual votes or tallies for Trump were fraudulent. And she conceded the next morning. So … gotcha? You still don’t understand the massive difference???
billfriedman9987 t1_iujscec wrote
I don't think we've even seen a candidate be up by 200-500k votes in a state and come out the loser the next morning. The reason for that is b/c we've never had universal mail in voting before.
Weekly_Signal6481 t1_iujscyf wrote
that only means you're sane
crazypants9 t1_iujsyrh wrote
And you know it wasn’t? How?
Janderss182 t1_iujt8n2 wrote
Damn ur a trump-Russia truther in 2022. Do u also still think the Iraq war was a good idea? You’re right Hillary Clinton is a good person and definitely didn’t spread election fraud allegations before during and after the election.
Janderss182 t1_iujtjcn wrote
Ok I see. So you’re allowed to call an election a hoax but the other troglodytes on the other side of the aisle can’t? Lol u democrats and republicans are so similar it’s hilarious
TapewormNinja t1_iujugvh wrote
You’re assuming he’ll actually move out. Oz won’t set foot in PA post election one way or the other.
CQU617 t1_iujuhq0 wrote
I am voting in person because I am sick and tired of this BS.
For the record, I am voting Fetterman and Shapiro because I have contributed to Social Security my entire life and I find it disgusting that any group in the land of the free is marginalized and all of your sitting by silently shame on you.
Vote D until Trumpism is eradicated
AFD_0 t1_iujv3jp wrote
They won my county across the board in 2020, yet still sued to have an investigation and a full recount (in a addition to an automatic one, iirc).
I just don't fucking get it. Some Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius playing 3D chess while running into a painted tunnel type of shit going on, right?
crazypants9 t1_iujv70y wrote
You really don’t believe in anything do you? Since you don’t care for me here’s a door.
crazypants9 t1_iujvs6f wrote
They have the audacity to have pro GOP commercials funded by Citizens For Sanity. Republican boosters. There is no bottom. End the GOP
HectorsMascara t1_iujvta0 wrote
She said Trump was an illegitimate president because he teamed up with one of America's enemies. "Illegitimate" isn't the word I would have chosen -- Trump was and is compromised.
Janderss182 t1_iujvtm5 wrote
I believe sincerely in the fact that party politics is for low iq people like u
Janderss182 t1_iujvxzk wrote
He didn’t tho. Steele dossier was bs
HectorsMascara t1_iujvyaj wrote
Why don't you read about his condition and prognosis?
HectorsMascara t1_iujxd0w wrote
Read the two executive summaries of the Mueller report. Volume 1 says Trump and the Russians collaborated, but Trump obstructed enough to avoid conspiracy charges. Volume 2 says they never intended to indict a sitting president anyway (for conspiracy or obstruction) because it would harm his ability to serve and he wouldn't be able to properly defend himself. They went ahead with the investigation anyway for possible indictment once he's out of office.
Janderss182 t1_iujxgps wrote
Stop dude this is pathetic
HectorsMascara t1_iujxmns wrote
that's it?
Janderss182 t1_iujyxj9 wrote
Yeah I don’t care to entertain fantasy
Cold-Resolve1923 t1_iujzz0s wrote
If a deniers gets eleted its because people were to damn lazy to vote
adwvn t1_iuk1ijw wrote
Thanks for demonstrating my point!
Dunn_or_what t1_iuk1jqc wrote
Lol. You may be right. I guess I'll have to use the servants entrance and hide in his hughe attic. He'll think he has a new employee and I'll tell his maids I'm his specual house guest that he doesn't discuss with anyone.
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iuk6diz wrote
I hope you’re never called to serve on a jury, because you’re incapable of wrapping your head around facts. Fine, working class citizens don’t trust the Dems sometimes. Trump won. That still has no bearing on the fact only one side claims (Trump has been doing this since 2012, actually) that non-existent people cast votes. My guess is you “believe” that too, and all the rest of your deflection is a smokescreen.
HeyImGilly t1_iuk6rxm wrote
I guess my concern would be elections after they win, and the cognitive dissonance of some in electorate. Some will support measures in the name of election security without considering the candidate actually won.
MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iuk72jn wrote
Well, I’m a middle aged, I guess upper-ish middle class lawyer formerly registered Republican, and I just voted for Fetterman. Believe it. Whether I agree with Dems on policy is irrelevant. Only one “side” is seeking to abandon democracy—today’s GOP. If they stop, I may vote for them.
edit: Fetterman’s cognitive processing is fine. He has temporary auditory and speech processing issues as a result of his stroke. I saw him in person recently.
Hot_Concentrate_7918 t1_iuk744q wrote
Is it not election denial when Dems did it for 4 years? Hilary is already denying elections before they even happen now
reddit_4_info t1_iuk7o2t wrote
They get a Senator who served in the Turkish army.
Most election deniers that I know are very, very fearful of religious extremists, but don’t even realize that they are voting for someone who is of the religion that is exactly what fear.
Please don’t misunderstand my words, I’m not biased or prejudiced at all, but the hypocrisy amazes me.
reddit_4_info t1_iuk9348 wrote
Reword this somehow because people don’t understand the point that you are making. You are correct, but it’s not clear in your explanation. I have upvoted you because I understand what you wrote.
dochim t1_iukbvrp wrote
The good news is that most of the election deniers are just running a short can on their (willing) dupes.
They for the most part are skilled or smart enough to do long term damage to our government willingly. That’s the good news.
The bad news is that they are craven and greedy and inept and immoral enough to allow for the continued slide of our professional bureaucracy (upon which we all depend) into further oblivion.
Open_Veins_8 OP t1_iuiduzi wrote
Reporter Catherine Caruso spoke to David Becker, the executive director and founder of the Center for Election Innovation and Research and Elaine Karmack, a senior fellow in the Governance Studies program and the director of the Center for Effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution, about what could happen to the future of elections if election deniers, like Doug Mastriano, win in November and the potential political violence that could ensue even if they don't.