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crazypants9 t1_iu20cqi wrote

Socialism is evil unless it is for corporate interests then it is wise investments. So your healthcare and Social Security and Medicare are just worthless socialist programs. Get back on that ladder and swing that rip hammer grandpa. Stop complaining about your knees and back. You have enough to buy beans and rice. STFU and get back to work lazy.

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_iu2lezd wrote

Can we stop calling tax credits socialism?

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crazypants9 t1_iu2sube wrote

Yes as soon as we stop calling healthcare and social security a drain on society. How’s that? No safety net, no society. Wait until automation vaporizes a few more million jobs.

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_iu2t1jf wrote

No you have to do both. Just because other people don't know what socialism is doesn't mean you have to also mischaracterize it. Unless your goal is to confuse people on what socialism is, or just sound ignorant. In those instances carry on.

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IrresponsibleScience t1_iu3ys9j wrote

You seem to want to be nit-picky with the definition of socialism, so I guess you should know that you also are mischaracterizing it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

When giving corporations and large companies that have the assets to take care of themselves tax money that doesn’t benefit citizens, and turning around and complaining about using that same tax money in a way that directly benefits citizens, seems like a mis-prioritization of standards.

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_iu3z9gz wrote

Yeah that's not socialism. Socialism is about the workers controlling the means of production. There are heavy elements of redistributionism, which is where you seem to be getting hung up. What you're describing is corporate welfare, not socialism.

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IrresponsibleScience t1_iu3zka2 wrote

Correct. Following the popular abuse of “socialism” has lead you and the other guy down a rabbit hole and gotten you downvoted. Could have been solved with some clarification early on ;).

But to summarize: corporate welfare bad, give resources to citizens.

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_iu403rx wrote

Lol I really could not care less that I've been downvoted. It's still stupid to mischaracterize socialism if you are claiming to be a proponent of it

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IrresponsibleScience t1_iu407v3 wrote

I’m just saying a little clarity of your intentions early on and the whole thing would have been resolved.

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IrresponsibleScience t1_iu404pi wrote

I think what u/crazypants9 is hitting on is the “if healthcare for all is ‘socialism,’ than so is corporate welfare.” Which is fair. Ive always dreamed of a politician calling out that BS.

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crazypants9 t1_iu6iajz wrote

Then explain to me how a nation that espouses the pursuit of life liberty happiness calls affordable healthcare for its citizens “socialist” because we all pay for it? BUT WEALTHY CAN BE AFFORDED BREAKS BUT NOT THE COMMON MAN? You have been fed lies, and as long as you buy it you will be on the losing end. Check out other developed nations seizing homes for hospital bills. They were going to have a sheriff sale of my life because my boy had leukemia and the hospital can call that marker in ANYTIME. And this is WITH INSURANCE. I managed to confront the machine that made this decision, oh and they never meant to do that. They called my house every day. Back and forth, beyond reasonable and customary, that’s “experimental”, we won’t pay. My kid lived. Ever wonder why coffee cans on counters in stores are there? A piece of the sky falls on yours and now you lose everything. Wake the fuck up. Socialism is not what you think it is. This is civilization because you do not increase the worth of your house by burning down the ones around you.

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crazypants9 t1_iu2x3k3 wrote

Self righteous much? Bye

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_iu2xbya wrote

Lol you're right. Let's just keep calling socialism things it isn't. That's great messaging.

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crazypants9 t1_iu5uwk4 wrote

I bet you think you’re a capitalist. But all you are is a worker and a consumer who thinks he’s the same as a billionaire and you think they want to help your world.

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