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now you are posting NRO schlock here too? pathetic.

as a pennsylvanian, GTFO!

Just a gentile reminder on what kind of "progressive" Larry Krasner is.

> Upon taking office Krasner released Hassan Elliot, earlier jailed for felony illegal gun possession. Later, Hasan violated parole when police caught him trying to sell cocaine, but Krasner released again. That same day, Elliot killed a man. Months later, Elliot murdered Philadelphia police corporal ames O’Connor who trying to apprehend Elliot.

This is not a unique example.

I grew up in Monroeville, PA, and my mother still lives in Pittsburgh. If it bothers you that people post stuff you disagree with, you should leave.

Stuff like this is what a lot of people think of when they hear "progressive", it might as well mean soft on crime in moderates and conservatives eyes

wow, you speak. a PA native? ok, then. i had assumed you are/were posting stuff just to be a shit disturber. my bad.

>it might as well mean soft on crime

Thats usually what it is.

There's been a lot of criticism over liberal DAs the past 4 or so years, they're especially terrible in California and NY

As a Pennsylvanian, welcome. For too long this sub has been dominated by the loony left. This sub does not represent real Pennsylvanians. Say anything even remotely moderate and you get 10 down votes.

Look at all the anti Oz posts trying to cover for Fetterman's disaster last night.

Welcome!

That's because this subreddit is a bubble that doesn't accurately represent real Pennsylvanians.

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Fetterman's house. Fetterman's parents house.

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I think it's Democrats that show up at elected officials homes to harass them typically.

Would be risky to do this at John Fetterman's home especially if the protester was an African American.

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and what exactly are 'real Pennsylvanians'?

I'm glad to see that your baseless comment falsely accusing me of being a racist or harboring prejudice of any kind was deleted. What a disgusting and inappropriate personal attack.

Do you think that racism is something that should be joked about?

the dude obviously didnt get your sideways braddock reference....

Well if you look at polling in Pennsylvania we are a very purple state. I'd expect the political content in this sub to represent that, if we were to call it representative of real Pennsylvanians. Instead we see leftist partisans down voting any article even remotely critical of Democrats.

That incident cannot be discussed here. It's comical they just say "you don't have the full story" and "you don't get it" and then accuse you of being a bot.

What is there to get? The man was jogging just like Ahmad Arbery was.

the incident is long over. nothing happend. the dude even endorsed fetterman for Lt. Gov. its a non issue.

I can see how someone who isn't concerned with the lives of black people deciding it's a non issue. I think when people acting as law enforcement pull shotguns on innocent people and falsely accuse them of crimes they should face consequences. That's the only way things improve is if people are held accountable.

Fetterman said he didn't do anything wrong, obviously he did. This is just another case of "Fetterman can do no wrong". He's not even healthy enough to be a Senator.

If we found out Fetterman was literally a serial killer, this subreddit would still be backing him.

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holy hyperbolic horseshit, batman!!

spare me the 'someone who isnt concerned with the lives of black people' virtue signaling crap. the 'issue' was settled long ago. what further is there 'to account for'?

here is just a smidge of an outline of it - https://www.inquirer.com/news/senate-john-fetterman-2013-shotgun-black-jogger-confrontation-20210401.html

> This is just another case of "Fetterman can do no wrong".

haha no. not even close. anyone who brings it up is just shit disturbing to make it stink more.

> He's not even healthy enough to be a Senator.

you ever know anyone that survived a stroke? speech impediments dont mean he's gone stupid or unable to have linear, complex, nuanced thoughts and actions. you any good at public 'debates'? im not.

i would vote for a moldy piece of bread or even a damn ficus tree over dipshit oz.

Yeah…and Arbery was killed in cold blood after being chased down in pickup trucks. The man Fetterman DETAINED was not hurt in the least.

Furthermore, Fetterman was responding to what he thought were gunshots. Not just a black guy jogging through the neighborhood and assuming wrongdoing.

Yea that guy in Philly is selling guns to juveniles along with the ATV and dirt bikes. Man that GOP will show him who's in control of this state .
What a crock of useless BS. If they really want to do something, pass gun control laws that prevent anyone with a criminal record from buying not only guns, but ammo as well. Then find a way to raise the minimum wage to current financial standards....$15.25 an hour. They have no solutions only fingers to point at someone to blame. I've got a couple of fingers to flip them. Another pointless GOP bill to do anything but solve a problem. The Philadelphia DA isn't the problem, the lack of solutions is the problem. If the state has no solutions to provide the DA then they should stay in Harrisburg and shut up. The Republicans want someone to blame then they should take a long hard look in a mirror at themselves. It's been falling apart since Reagan in January 1981 and crashed on January 6th 2021. What's happening is simply the echo of 4 decades of collapse.

Why was he detained with a shotgun? Are you under the impression that it’s a crime to go for a jog as a black man in this country?

Where any shell casings or evidence of gunfire found? No the Witnessed were interviewed and we learned he was frightened by fireworks for gods sake. There was no gunfire and I’m pretty sure the only one with a gun and causing trouble was FETTERMAN.

Yet here you are smearing a black man and implying he was properly detained with fake information about gunshots that never occurred.

Just gross, you realize it’s 2022, right? Black people should be able to exercise without being harassed by angry white men with shotguns.

Lol…ok…ignore the fact that I stated “what he thought” were gunshots…

And completely ignore the Arbery thing…because that’s what Trump Humpers do.

They create their own narrative and ignore everything else…you can fuck right off now.

Born and raised Pennsylvanian, currently living in NY for my job, and even NY (solid blue state) subreddits aren’t as far left as this one. This sub is definitely not representative of Pennsylvanians, as a whole. Maybe a lot more Pennsylvania, and a lot less politics, would be beneficial.

Pa House GOP refuses to raise minimum wage for 20 years...

So if you see Ted Cruz pull a shotgun on an unarmed black jogger, with zero provocation or justification, you are telling me that you would not call the police and seek consequences?

Cuz Im calling the police, whether its Ted Cruz or John Fetterman. African Americans should feel safe when they go for a job and not have to deal with the Angry White Man With a Gun (Fetterman). Why do you disagree with that?

This is not a narrative, this is reality. The man was jogging, not committing a crime. There was zero justification to pull a shotgun on the man.

Also, why are you calling me a Trump Humper ? I voted against Donald Trump 4 separate times because I felt that he was a racist and also an unqualified idiot.

Calling into question Fetterman pulling a shotgun on an innocent black jogger makes someone a Trump Humper?

Will you knock it off with these bad faith arguments? We get it. You like to troll. You made your point.

> the Arbery thing

See and I thought the whole point of the Black Lives Matter movement was to STOP ignoring things like what happened to Arbery and Fetterman's victim.

I’m not from Pennsylvania but this sub is actually thousands of times less partisan than the Ohio sub and it’s not even close, atleast here I can see non political things sometimes

What was the outcome of Fetterman’s incident? Nothing. Arbery…on the other hand?

You are nothing but a right wing troll.

This did not start (or statistically increase) with Krasner, and it won't disappear when he leaves office.

The fact is, people commit crimes. There is no way to prevent them all without locking up every single person. At which point the only difference is that the crimes will happen in prison instead of out.

The notion that Krasner is increasing crime is a pre-baked talking point, a conclusion waiting for facts to back it up, not a result of facts leading to a conclusion.

Source: https://theintercept.com/2022/10/24/larry-krasner-impeachment-debunked-study/

There are plenty of racist incidents that don't end in murder. We still shouldn't look away.

I don't think that sticking up for Black Lives and standing against prejudiced people is a bad faith argument. I recall it being a very big thing before Fetterman was nominated.

That very well may be true, there is some good non partisan and non political posts here. I think it's just that 95% of the partisans here are extremely partisan Democrats.

You know that’s not what you’re really doing. I know that’s not what you’re really doing. We all know that’s not what you’re really doing.

Sure there are…and mostly by right wing douche canoes like you.

F the Dems. They suck Krasner’s little tool.

I'm not a racist. I've never once pulled a shotgun on black person out enjoying a jog like John Fetterman did.

It's exactly what I am doing. I don't think black joggers should have to put up with angry white people pointing shotguns at them because they assume they are running from a crime. Why exactly is that a controversial statement, aside from the fact that you happen to support a candidate for the Senate that did exactly that?

F u. Look at every Dem run shithole city and what is common denominator?

Hint: It ain’t Republican.

And once again…you refuse to distinguish the difference between Arbery and The incident in Braddock.

Fuck you. We are done here?

The difference and the only difference is that Fetterman, thankfully never pulled the trigger.

That doesn't make it ok or acceptable.

I dunno. Maybe that singular jogger has stated that Fetterman should be senator? (Source: https://www.inquirer.com/news/senate-john-fetterman-2013-shotgun-black-jogger-confrontation-20210401.html?outputType=amp ) Why don’t you take the opinions of black joggers seriously? Do you not think black joggers are capable of thinking for themselves? Why do you hate black joggers so much?

FU2. Putz. No but the NEVER have any solutions either. If your not part of the solution your part of the problem. Dems at least try to change things. Republicans sit on their backsides, call names, point fingers to blame everyone but themselves. If you don't contribute to helping to solve the problems of society then get out of the way of those who are trying. However if you have any ideas...please feel free to share, but I expect you do not. So...have a seat.

So Dem solution is to let the shit out of jail? No thanks. That ain’t a solution. You tell me what is the Dem solution?

What did fellow Democrat Connor Lamb have to say about this? He said Fetterman runs the parole board and holds the key to Miyares' release(for an unrelated incident from when Fetterman pulled a gun on him). In that case, even I would endorse him if I thought it would get me out of prison faster lol.

https://twitter.com/josecanyousee_/status/1517299765976870912?s=20&t=hP8eGidLT-482LmoNIma5g

Did you forget about this in the Democratic primary debate?

Lamb would be up 15% and instead you have to defend a racist who can barely function... that's what you are actually upset about, you're not upset with me.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you get left behind? What shit are you talking about? Please be specific since you obviously have a chip on your shoulder about some case or other. Enlighten us all please.

So what you are saying is that you are to stupid to solve the problem you made and you need someone to change your diaper?

Krasner is soft on crime. I am all for giving people second chances. But please don’t blame this shit on the Rs. It is disingenuous.

LOL. So you have nothing but empty complaints. Think. Who has all the answers? Who has all the solutions? No one person. Teams of people solve problems. Contribute your ideas or have a seat. Ideas that can bring solutions are always welcome. Stupidity isn't exclusive to me since you've proven that, and the world we live in wasn't created by the Dems. Nor just the Republicans. Everyone shares some blame for it. It is what it is and it has to be dealt with. So what are you're ideas? Put up or shut up.

So you put more faith in the word of a white man (lamb) then a black jogger. Why do you hate black joggers?

(This is how ridiculous you sound)

Even Malcolm Kenyatta called on him to apologize. And don't tell me he endorsed him to, we all know how politics works.

At the end of the day you think it's acceptable to pull shotguns on innocent joggers and I think it's wrong and a crime. Call me crazy.

This is how ridiculous you sound.

So you completely dismiss the thoughts of a black jogger. Got it. Racist.

You think disagreeing with a black person makes you a racist? Again we know Fetterman runs the parole board.

Man you are really desperate to defend this man's racist actions, you must really hate black joggers to want this man in the Senate.

I do have the answers. First one is get rid of Krasner. See. Easy peasy! Good night. 😘💤

No. Completely disregarding them because they are black makes you a racist. If concluding that Fetterman stopped him because he was black makes Fetterman a racist, it’s easy to conclude that you disregarding their opinion because they’re black makes you a racist. You keep dodging the question: Why do you hate black joggers?

Oh you must be mistaken, I am not disregarding his opinion on the basis of his skin color. I would never do something like that. Making a snap decision based on the color of someone's skin is the kind of thing that John Fetterman does, not me.

I am disregarding his opinion because the person who controls his release is literally John Fetterman, that's why. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clear up your silly confusion.

And to be clear, I am sticking up for Black joggers. I think joggers of all ethnicities should feel safe jogging in their neighborhoods, so I am sticking up for them so that they can feel safe. The question is why aren't you?

I’m not confused. You’ve demonstrated that you hate black joggers, and only listen to white people, based on this one example. You’re totally not shitposting and trolling, and clearly arguing in good faith that you hate black joggers, based on this one incident, that happened in 2013. We are all basing our entire opinions of you on this.

It’s not clear. You’ve consistently demonstrated that you hate black joggers.

You forgot to mention the difference was murder. Do you not think the murder of a black man matters? Clearly not. Why don’t you think murdering black men matters? Edit: the racist who hates black joggers blocked me.

"I take extra measures to make myself look like a runner and make sure nothing arouses any suspicion," said Oduor, 42, who lives in the majority-White city of Lenexa and started running six years ago after he was diagnosed with prediabetes.

"I avoid residential areas and use main roads. I panic if a car is following too closely during my runs. I make sure my phone is fully charged and I can hit record anytime."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/27/us/black-runners-ahmaud-arbery-death-wellness-trnd/index.htm

This is the kind of violence you are excusing and perpetuating. If you think black joggers should have to think like this to avoid people like John Fetterman you are part of the problem.

Literally have mentioned that difference, verbatim. Thanks for failing once again to make a valid point.

You are equating the death of Arbery with the Fetterman incident? One resulted in a death. Your dismissal of the death of a black jogger is really telling. For most of us non-psychopaths, the death of a black jogger is a tragedy…..for you it seems to be nothing more than an inaccurate data point. Gross

Why do you hate black joggers? Edit: the racist who hates black joggers blocked me.

They are very similar incidents because they both involved racists, black joggers zero provocation or initial crime, and guns.

As I clearly said earlier, thank God Fetterman didn't pull the trigger. That makes it a very different incident but it's also important we hold Fetterman accountable, at least until he apologizes and makes amends and says what he did was wrong.

Idiots aren't exclusive to either party. They both have proven that, however even smart needs help. I try not to waste time on blame. It's too tiring. Instead I look to find solutions. And tge shit you speak of has always been there. We're just seeing more of it by a new generation of knuckleheads. It was there in the 60's. It was there in the 70's and 80's ( remember the crack issue the feds helped create?) the 90's, etc. Locking everyone up might make you feel better, but it's not a solution, it's a temporary fix. The pandemic helped create the muck we have now, so we have to figure out the best solutions. The best isn't always the most popular. It won't work overnight. Larry had an idea, he tried it, but the pandemic created new, unforseen problems. If we don't try new ideas we stagnate. But sometimes they don't work. That's a fact of life. Pointing fingers is pointless. The trickle down ideas of the past forty plus years haven't been working for anyone making less than half a million a year. The middle ground is the only way out. Bridging the gap to get a handle on the problems. Otherwise it will get a handle on all of us and pull us down into the abyss.

Too easy. Next ides?

I think it's clear that I don't. If I saw someone pull a gun on a black jogger, I would call the police.

You would form an exploratory committee to make that man a US Senator.

And replace him with whom?

I haven’t said anything promoting Fetterman. There you go making assumptions again. Racist. Black jogger hater. Edit: the racist who hates black joggers blocked me.

Truer words have never been spoken.

The FOP in Philly is hard R, and the cops have basically stopped responding to calls. It’s not as simple as you’re painting it. There’s a soft-strike going on because McNesby is butt-hurt.

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PA GOP refuses to legalize marijuana and stop this cycle of handing out felonies to kids leaving high school for nonviolent drug offenses, sending them towards a downward spiral of isolating them from the legal labor market while alienating them from participating in civil society, perpetuating them sourcing an income from illegal markets.

> What a crock of useless BS. If they really want to do something, pass gun control laws that prevent anyone with a criminal record from buying not only guns, but ammo as well. Then find a way to raise the minimum wage to current financial standards....$15.25 an hour.

So people resort to crime because minimum wage is too low? What a dumb take.

People resort to crime because there is no consequence.

> They have no solutions only fingers to point at someone to blame. I've got a couple of fingers to flip them. Another pointless GOP bill to do anything but solve a problem. The Philadelphia DA isn't the problem, the lack of solutions is the problem.

The Philly DA refuses to charge people because it's the "wrong people" committing the crimes. He's 100% at fault here.

> If the state has no solutions to provide the DA then they should stay in Harrisburg and shut up. The Republicans want someone to blame then they should take a long hard look in a mirror at themselves. It's been falling apart since Reagan in January 1981 and crashed on January 6th 2021. What's happening is simply the echo of 4 decades of collapse.

Phily has had Democrat single party (... corrupt ....) rule for something like hundred years. There's only one party that's been fucking up Philly and it ain't the Republicans.

100 years? Look at the history of Philly and you'll see that the Rs controlled the city for more than half of the 20th century. I guess you want to go back to "good ol'days" when Philly cops would randomly beat people, take payoffs, with no consequences? Whiners whine, doers do. You obviously don't know your history and most likely don't live in the city or possibly even the state or country for that matter. Run for office in the city, give solutions. If you don't have any solutions, sit down and shut up because you're part of the problem. Removing Krasner won't fix anything like defending police won't solve anything. Philly needs people to get involved at the grass roots level. From the home, to the city, to the state, for society. Are you up for that? Put up or shut up time.

He won in a landslide. Cry more.

> 100 years? Look at the history of Philly and you'll see that the Rs controlled the city for more than half of the 20th century.

The last Republican mayor of Philly ended his term in 1952: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Philadelphia

Regardless of the state of the city at that time, you're saying that in 70 years the Democrats could not fix it? Sheesh.

> I guess you want to go back to "good ol'days" when Philly cops would randomly beat people, take payoffs, with no consequences?

I have no clue where you're inferring that from.

> Whiners whine, doers do.

That's the problem. The do-nothing DA in Philly is not putting criminals in prison. And he's part of the corrupt Democrat machine that controls that city.

> You obviously don't know your history and most likely don't live in the city or possibly even the state or country for that matter.

More baseless accusation. I accuse you of being a Japanese manga high school girl. Hey it's easy when you just make shit up eh?

> Run for office in the city, give solutions. If you don't have any solutions, sit down and shut up because you're part of the problem.

Whatever happened to, "Make your voices heard"? Oh, I guess only speech that leftist idiots agree with is acceptable.

Actions speak louder than words. You only have hate speech. You lack the ability to make any changes to the world in a positive way, so you just whine. If you want things to change, then change it without hate speech and violence. Until then you serve no purpose. You are part if the problem. All your responses have proven my point. Your anger is an energy that should be redirected toward a better world not a bitter life. Put up or shut up. How many people have you helped today? Yesterday? Last week, month, year? None? Why? What's stopping you. If you care so much get involved more than being upset and angry. It's a waste of energy.

> Actions speak louder than words. You only have hate speech.

You're the one who's full of hate. I've said nothing hateful.

I've only pointed out that the problems plaguing Philly are due to Democrats because they're the ones in charge and have been for the entire lives of most of the people that live there.

> You lack the ability to make any changes to the world in a positive way, so you just whine.

Sure I can. I can make my voice heard and vote out loser corrupt Democrats.

> If you want things to change, then change it without hate speech and violence.

What hate speech? What violence?

You're delusional. I've said nothing hateful and never advocated violence.

I think you're projecting. I bet you're one of those violent rioters that looted Philly in the BLM protests riots.

> Until then you serve no purpose. You are part if the problem. All your responses have proven my point. Your anger is an energy that should be redirected toward a better world not a bitter life. Put up or shut up. How many people have you helped today? Yesterday? Last week, month, year? None? Why? What's stopping you. If you care so much get involved more than being upset and angry. It's a waste of energy.

Wowza. You're such a sad and hateful person. Go outside and get some sunshine. I bet you're scared of that too.

You've done nothing, you've got noting. No new ideas. Nothing to contribute and all your reactive language is full of vitriol and venom like the peaceful January 6th march to visit the Capitol um...oh, no THAT was an insurrection and a riot full of hate. What di you do more than vote? Have you gone out to your community and helped even one person other than yourself? Chill. Focus that energy on a positive change. Do something , anything for a better future. You'll feel better. Let your anger go. Breath.

It's representative of reddit, not Pennsylvania, just like every location based sub

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