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SamShephardsMustache t1_itg9she wrote

That's so sad. Anyway, I made this awesome lo mein last night. Better than takeaway.

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rootsdork t1_itghx6y wrote

What do you use for noodles?

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[deleted] t1_itgtiab wrote

"Let's make callous jokes because we view some people's lives to have less value"

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Res_ipsa_l0quitur t1_itguzst wrote

It’s not that their lives are any less valuable. It’s that they make decisions that not only endanger themselves, but everyone else within their vicinity.

This person’s death is tragic, but it was also entirely avoidable. Death is a difficult topic, so some people make callous jokes in order to process nuanced tragedies that didn’t need to happen. Some people cry. Some get angry. Some shut down. There’s no right or wrong way to grapple with needless deaths.

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[deleted] t1_itgw2da wrote

Do we think it's more likely that the joke, specifically the one above, was made because someone had difficulty processing the death or was trying to convey the message "who gives a fuck?"

Do we think we see the same joke being made if it was someone who's life was assigned greater value in our society?

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[deleted] t1_ith6kt1 wrote

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[deleted] t1_ith8dzw wrote

I think if that's the justification people want to use to make fun of someone's death go for it, just at least recognize it.

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Res_ipsa_l0quitur t1_itgyioy wrote

You’re the only one who has suggested that society assigns less value to this person’s life. No one else has said anything of the sort.

This person died doing something reckless and, naturally, that causes other people to feel less sympathy. Some deaths are viewed as being more tragic than others, but that doesn’t mean their life was any less valuable. You don’t feel as bad when someone says their 95 year old grandma died peacefully in her sleep as when someone says their 5 year old accidentally drowned in a pool. That has nothing to do with how much their lives were valued, but rather the cause and manner of their deaths.

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[deleted] t1_itgz9q3 wrote

That's true! But I haven't heard anyone say "my grandma die" and someone respond "that's so sad. Anyways this was my lunch yesterday." And that response would probably be frowned upon right? So of its not the value if life causing the callousness, what's the difference?

It just seems like we're assigning value based on how they died.

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Res_ipsa_l0quitur t1_ith1q4m wrote

Are you intentionally being obtuse? The difference is not the value of their life, but the cause and manner of their death. I said that already.

Grandma didn’t die doing something reckless that could’ve killed other people as well as herself.

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[deleted] t1_ith2kdz wrote

So it's not how people are processing grief but instead just mocking a person because of the they died made it acceptable?

I don't see how making fun of someone's death doesn't reflect the value placed on someone's life. Like if life had inherent value you wouldn't mock their death right?

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