byndrsn t1_itcks2j wrote
Warehouses, we need more Warehouses
mitchdwx t1_itcmq33 wrote
We especially need more empty warehouses that do nothing but destroy farmland and create an eyesore!
byndrsn t1_itcppbe wrote
yes. In Berks developers are building some with no customers to rent the space yet. Two that I know are still for rent.
five_eight t1_itcr3jn wrote
I went to a township meeting couple years ago. Neighbors were outraged. Township supervisors didn't make a peep until one got the developer a cup of coffee: "Here ya go, sir".
ohmymother t1_itnr9gm wrote
There is a giant one in Hatfield on 309, that still appears mostly empty. Based on the size I was sure it was going to be an Amazon FC or something on that scale. It’s been finished about a year and I only see a handful of cars ever. A bunch more going up around harleysville. I actually have an e-commerce home based business so I’m kind of hoping when I grow a little bigger it’ll make it easier to find an affordable commercial lease, but as a resident they are so ugly. Plus there is a lot of rezoning that could help convert struggling shopping centers and malls into smaller scale warehouse/flex space. The future is smaller more nimble distribution that is closer to the end customer.
byndrsn t1_itppz5s wrote
> but as a resident they are so ugly
the one I saw on RT 183 in Berks is ghastly.
browneyedgirlpie t1_itd0gw6 wrote
This happened near us too. While other, existing warehouse spaces remain empty.
yeags86 t1_itgdmnt wrote
Where are those at? Granted I don’t wander too far from Shillington anymore these days since I work at home and I’m a bit of a hermit.
byndrsn t1_ithd6nh wrote
Hamburg and Straustown areas
zdelusion t1_itcufmz wrote
Also, more truck traffic and diesel fumes please. If everything could become like 78 that would be so awesome...
bk1285 t1_itdn4mj wrote
Well you know what happens once you start getting a lot of truck traffic? Talk of making the road a toll road
kormer t1_itcmlw4 wrote
Central PA is less than a day's drive to nearly half the population of the US. Combined with cheap land, it's the ideal location for distribution warehouses on the East Coast.
browneyedgirlpie t1_itczjdj wrote
Yeah but I like wooded areas with wildlife more than truck noises. The article is about more growth on Carlisle Pike in Cumberland County. I live in northern York County. So equally on the outskirts of the Burg, just in a different direction.
My suburban neighborhood is next to 2 amazon warehouses, FedEx depot, and a chewy warehouse, among several other smaller ones.
Lost semi trucks rip up our yard when try and turn around in my cul de sac. They just installed 'no truck turn' signs at the entrances to tge development, that I don't think lost drivers will see. The guy who knew what he was doing at fedex must've retired or died bc the new guy drops trailers so loudly overnight. We have deer that live in a pathetic 10 foot strip of trees between a road and the fence to these warehouses.
When we bought this home, we knew of the 1 amazon and FedEx. There was a thin row of townhomes and trees to block the light from those and back then the fedex noise was significantly less than it is now.
A key selling feature for our home was that our township doesn't allow anymore warehouses or strip malls to be built. What we didn't know at the time was that the main road outside of our development is the township line.
The township next to us cleared 2 million square feet of wooded area for the warehouses across the street. The whole deal was done behind closed doors and it was very controversial. Citizens tried to fight it but were told it was a done deal. There are people on that twp board who have been accused of multiple acts of corruption, it's an ongoing fight with the citizens. In this case, it's big warehouse company (goodman logistics) seeing the opportunity that comes from local corruption in low income areas. Amazon and chewy just happen to be the tenants.
IamSauerKraut t1_itd09h1 wrote
Why are the "people on the twp board who have been accused of multiple acts of corruption" not bounced from office or referred to the AG's office?
browneyedgirlpie t1_itd0nxx wrote
As I mentioned, it's an ongoing battle that people are still currently fighting.
IamSauerKraut t1_itd2g0d wrote
I remember that article about the office kerfuffle. Personality conflicts and defamation more so that corruption. Wintermyer does seem like a bit of a dingus.
CltAltAcctDel t1_itd8gtu wrote
>Yeah but I like wooded areas
>My suburban neighborhood
What do you think your suburban neighborhood was before it became a neighborhood?
browneyedgirlpie t1_itdcksq wrote
It was actually a field before the development, it wasn't wooded. Large trees don't do well in this immediate area because it's solid limestone about 8 inches down. But wooded areas are all around it, at least until they cleared them for warehouses.
kormer t1_itd3zrf wrote
> Yeah but I like wooded areas with wildlife more than truck noises.
So do I, and I found that in Central PA, I'm sure you can too. I wouldn't even say you need to look hard enough, it's literally all around you.
browneyedgirlpie t1_itd47vx wrote
You mean until it's sold off for warehouses.
kormer t1_itdd1ph wrote
If it's that important to you, you are welcome to buy it yourself and have it be open space forever.
And before you said anything, I've actually done that. Myself and a few neighbors partnered with The Nature Conservancy to purchase about 20 acres of woodland surrounding our properties. We needed to put up a portion of our own funds, the development rights were transferred to another property (see TDRs ), and The Nature Conservancy also provided a grant as well as agreed to be the permanent custodian of the land.
browneyedgirlpie t1_itdi2e4 wrote
It's too late, it's already sold and developed. But that's good information for other people concerned with undeveloped areas near them. People didn't even know this was a possibility though.
Part of the issue with this is that the board changed the status of the land from 'by right' to 'conditional use' without appropriately notifying or involving the public.
Residents noticed people surveying the area and spoke up, only to discover it was already a done deal.
Daywalkingvampire t1_itdyeir wrote
It sounds like someone higher up was greasing palms to have people look the other way.
browneyedgirlpie t1_itdyoaw wrote
That's what people suspect.
Daywalkingvampire t1_itdzg95 wrote
Amazon tried to build a warehouse in Churchill here in the Pittsburgh area. the citizens banded together and Amazon was forced to back down.
IamSauerKraut t1_itczzqw wrote
There are under-utilized, developed spaces around the major cities that are also less than a day's drive to nearly half the population of the US, not to mention that they are a heck of a lot closer to the container ships from which most of the goods arrive.
kormer t1_itd46pg wrote
Great, nobody is stopping you from starting your own logistics company and locating in those areas. If they're as good as you say, I'm sure you'll have a competitive advantage and make lots of money off it.
IamSauerKraut t1_itdzdvd wrote
gratuitous non seq.
pat yourself on the back.
sixplaysforadollar t1_itd4xje wrote
Wow really? That’s an interesting tidbit. There is a lot of distribution hubs in pa I noticed but I didn’t know that fact
GratefulHead420 t1_itdaovk wrote
Warehouses also need a lot of workers, and as warehouse density increases, there becomes a shortage of people who will do that kind of work.
ftsk4201 t1_itdhztw wrote
As long as the pay is good they’ll have workers. I work in a huge warehouse and no shortage of workers
Er3bus13 t1_itdftvy wrote
I mean who needs a watershed or places to grow things?
dherrmann t1_itghwit wrote
A warehouse today is what today's Kmarts are.
Meandtheworld t1_itcx3jq wrote
Bring back jobs.
IamSauerKraut t1_itd0bue wrote
Bring back jobs to whom? Seems all those who want to work are already working.
ell0bo t1_itdjsre wrote
what jobs need brought back? We're at record unemployment, part of the reason for inflation.
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