Guess I’m just kindof checking the temperature of how fed up everyone is with this epidemic, how many of you would support a, for lack of a better idea, a “stop and frisk” policy in Philly? There is a law on the books regarding the illegality of carrying/owning a weapon without a license in Philly specifically ( https://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-firearms/open-carry/). Obviously would need to mobilize the police force in a way. Also, to mitigate the political fallout from such a move, there could maybe be some kind of immunity clause where anything discovered other than illegal firearms is off limits from being enforced upon or investigated.

The other side of this which is more of a hypothetical question, let’s say this did go into effect, and pigs could fly and the gun violence committers in Philly for some reason banned together and appealed to the NRA and gun rights activists for help rejecting this, no outside groups just the inner city folks who are currently illegally carrying and using firearms, how do you think that would go down? Seems like a funny idea

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sugar-high t1_itaf46z wrote on October 22, 2022 at 3:04 AM

Stop and frisk did not reduce violence and was instead used as an excuse for cops to illegally target people of color. So, absolutely not.

Mfees t1_ita9oot wrote on October 22, 2022 at 2:17 AM

Stop and frisk is not cool. Has bad race impacts.. don't buy for a second any non gun issues would be immune.

MacDynamite71 t1_itaclpt wrote on October 22, 2022 at 2:42 AM

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RandomCreeper3 t1_itac2xn wrote on October 22, 2022 at 2:38 AM

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FiveNations54 t1_itb6c14 wrote on October 22, 2022 at 8:29 AM

>NRA

Yeah, no the fuck they don't.

>Gun rights activists

You mean, fat white dudes who cosplay as a militia on the weekends.

PensiveLog t1_itbn2pq wrote on October 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM

Most of the NRA members do.

But, you are correct, the organization itself does not.

31November t1_itha6ah wrote on October 23, 2022 at 5:21 PM

This is a good distinction. There's a difference between the NRA and most members.

I dislike most NRA members, but I can at least acknowledge that most do support higher gun control

IamSauerKraut t1_itae3j0 wrote on October 22, 2022 at 2:56 AM

Prosecutors apparently can no longer charge people for possessing firearms with obliterated serial numbers. And you want stop and frisk?

dclxvi616 t1_iti7gmv wrote on October 23, 2022 at 8:50 PM

Sounds like illegal search and seizure. Two wrongs don't make a right.

SpoonTomb OP t1_itiy92y wrote on October 23, 2022 at 11:56 PM

How do we prevent straw purchases then. Everyone seems to be considering the political questions here but not the crisis at hand, presumably because they are unaffected

LowPermission9 t1_itk7q86 wrote on October 24, 2022 at 6:56 AM

They might save lives though. IMO it’s worth it.

M4053946 t1_itafm61 wrote on October 22, 2022 at 3:09 AM

Malcolm Gladwell has a great book titled "talking to strangers" which addresses these types of aggressive police tactics. The book is highly recommended, but one of its points is that this sort of policing was very effective when first used. (more specifically, the research he was looking at was doing searches at traffic stops, but perhaps similar enough to what you're suggesting). Though, that initial attempt was in high crime areas. Unfortunately, police started doing this sort of thing in all areas, which doesn't catch a lot of criminals and instead generates a lot of ill will (and safety problems). And, by "high crime areas", most violent crime is in a very small area of a city.

So yes, likely effective, provided it's done correctly, but I'm not sure we have a way to ensure it's done correctly.