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Early-Consequence-61 t1_jeeieda wrote

Reply to comment by spasske in ACLU suing Saucon Valley School District over district's decision not to allow After School Satan Club by LeaveThatCatAlone

No I’m fact, we hail ourselves and our own power. I became sober entirely on my own, with help from the tenets and other people in the group. When I accomplish something we say “Hail you!” Because we are the powerful ones in control of ourselves. I love it.

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bleepblopbl0rp t1_jeff5po wrote

Hell yes man. I fucking HATE the first step of AA. Hell, I hate them all. Never worked for me. I have power, goddammit. I am not powerless. And I know this because I'm a year and a month sober and I don't wanna drink anymore. And that's my fuckin power.

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schu2470 t1_jefn9kr wrote

I've never read through the AA steps. What kind of self-minimizing Christian guilt bullshit is that? I had no idea it was a Christian-centric program.

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BartlettMagic t1_jeg3q4z wrote

  1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol — that our lives had become unmanageable.

  2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

  3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

  4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

  5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

  6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

  7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

  8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

  9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

  10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

  11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

  12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

from the official AA Website.

if i were seeking help, this would drive me away from a support group pretty quickly. to me, this reads as embracing fear and powerlessness, sacrificing oneself for the god that is the disease. how many other people have felt the same way?

*to be fair, there are some good parts to it. but the god angle is too much.

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SendAstronomy t1_jegfvjz wrote

Yeah, AA has always been straight bullshit.

Before someone gets offended: if you used AA and are now sober, that's great! However I bet you have more willpower than you think you do.

As The Satanic Temple would probably say, "Believe on yourself."

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Zenith2017 t1_jeg92wr wrote

It sucks bigly. And all sorts of selfhelp groups follow the same concepts as a 12-step program. It's not always Christian god but it's always inherent that you learn to hate yourself

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