Submitted by Bmartin_ t3_125pzzj in Pennsylvania
CrazyOkie t1_je6br9e wrote
Reply to comment by SunOutrageous6098 in Police swarm multiple local schools after reports of shootings, believed to be hoax by Bmartin_
There's a huge difference between a planned drill - which students and parents are told in advance about - and receiving a message that there is a shooter at your school.
SunOutrageous6098 t1_je6c9ck wrote
We were absolutely not told about them in advance. Remember, the Columbine shooting was done by students. Imagine the damage that could be done if a student shooter knew exactly when all the kids would be huddled in the corner behind the teachers desk.
CrazyOkie t1_je6h7hc wrote
Seems crazy and irresponsible for the school district not to warn the parents or at least put it in the alert that it's a drill.
And what would this putative student shooter learn from an announced drill that they wouldn't already know from online research?
SunOutrageous6098 t1_je6kcel wrote
Warning students or parents ahead of time would reveal the exact day and time that the drill is occurring… thus making it easier for a bad actor to act since everyone will be hiding behind the teachers desk/in the corner because 40 kids don’t exactly fit behind a desk. In most schools the classroom doors don’t lock, either.
What do you think happens during an active shooter drill in a public school?
We don’t give lunches to kids if they can’t pay- you think we have bunkers to hide in?
CrazyOkie t1_je6nfnw wrote
Still doesn't answer my question of how that's an advantage to the shooter. By that logic, they could call in saying they saw a shooter and then go in guns blazing.
No idea what schools you went to but all the schools I went to and my daughter went to there absolutely were free lunches and breakfasts for those that couldn't pay. Heck, for my daughter's schools we were required to fill out the forms even if we knew we didn't qualify because the school gets federal money regardless.
SunOutrageous6098 t1_je6s1af wrote
Knowing the exact day and time that every student in the school is going to be huddled in the corner of each classroom is an advantage if you are looking to inflict maximum damage. No one is roaming the halls, everyone in administration thinks it’s a drill, so if your goal is destruction… you’ve got sitting ducks.
And yeah, we had a free lunch program. But if you weren’t on it and just forgot your money or your lunch account didn’t have enough… tough! No lunch for you. Google “lunch debt”. It’s a real thing and schools do not care.
SunOutrageous6098 t1_je6s2w0 wrote
Knowing the exact day and time that every student in the school is going to be huddled in the corner of each classroom is an advantage if you are looking to inflict maximum damage. No one is roaming the halls, everyone in administration thinks it’s a drill, so if your goal is destruction… you’ve got sitting ducks.
And yeah, we had a free lunch program. But if you weren’t on it and just forgot your money or your lunch account didn’t have enough… tough! No lunch for you. Google “lunch debt”. It’s a real thing and schools do not care.
CrazyOkie t1_je6tdmu wrote
>we had a free lunch program
So you admit that your prior statement that we don't give lunches to kids who can't pay wasn't true? I understand the "I forgot my account number" but forgetting it one day isn't the same as not having a program for it.
And I'm sorry, but your logic makes no sense on the forewarned drill. There absolutely should be administrators & cops observing what the teachers and students are doing, to correct anything they do wrong, otherwise the drill is pointless. If that's what they did at your school, your school administrators weren't very bright.
SunOutrageous6098 t1_je6ujqu wrote
There were 3500 kids in my high school and 5 principals. Which students did you want them to watch?
It was up to the teacher to make sure we did it right. You know, the one all 25 of us were supposed to hide behind.
SunOutrageous6098 t1_jebd8p8 wrote
Here’s a relevant case of “not all schools provide free lunches” for you.
CrazyOkie t1_jebkpfv wrote
Yes, a very misleading case based on one idiot lawmaker flapping his gums. Which the media was happy to run with.
That in fact was a vote for a state program which would have supplemented the existing federal program, to cover kids in families that are between 130%-185% of federal poverty levels. Kids in families below 130% of the poverty level in North Dakota are still going to get a free lunch at school (and free breakfast as well), just like they do in every school (public or private) in the good old USA. Families that are below 200% also qualify for reduced price meals at school.
https://www.kfyrtv.com/2023/03/28/nd-legislature-votes-down-free-school-lunches/
Luvs2spooge89 t1_je7hxl8 wrote
I mean, they might not send out a memo and announce it in school the day before. But the kids would 100% know they were having a drill before the drill actually happened. They weren’t left to believe that it was an active situation. That’s insane.
SunOutrageous6098 t1_je7omlo wrote
Probably? The teacher of whatever class we were in probably told us. It was in the years right after Columbine- an announcement went over the PA system saying “Mr Smith is in the building” or something and that meant we all had to go stand in the corner, behind the teachers desk.
We all knew it wasn’t going to work if there actually was a situation.
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