tkm1026 t1_j8uc364 wrote on February 17, 2023 at 12:19 AM

Reply to comment by 106473 in Governor Shapiro vows to "not issue any execution warrants during my term as Governor". Also urges Assembly to abolish death penalty. by Canopenerdude

There's no way to do that without shredding due process, unfortunately.

106473 t1_j8uekem wrote on February 17, 2023 at 12:37 AM

Explain

badatmetroid t1_j8uly3e wrote on February 17, 2023 at 1:32 AM

Since 1973 at least 190 innocent people have been executed. Those are just the one's who could be proven innocent after the fact. If you decrease due process, you increase the number of people who get executed before we can figure out that they were wrongly convicted.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence

tkm1026 t1_j8ukrtk wrote on February 17, 2023 at 1:23 AM

Due process- a course of legal proceedings according to rules and principles that have been established in a system of jurisprudence for the enforcement and protection of private rights.

So, to be clear, all suspects and convicts are given the same rights. The court system works off of existent precedent quite a bit. So those rights aren't just established by some written-as-a-whole document (though that exists per state and federal level) but also by what courts have decided in the past.

106473 t1_j8vve0y wrote on February 17, 2023 at 9:03 AM

You still failed to explain the lack of due process of how if one was sentenced to death for mass murder as the jury would go over the evidence and come to the conclusion of a guilty verdict and how the perpetrator would be given the death penalty and promptly executed how that would not be due process.

ButterShave t1_j8w4qf0 wrote on February 17, 2023 at 11:11 AM

People are falsely convicted all the time. You need to allow for appeals to at least attempt to weed out the false convictions before you get to the punishment phase, especially when that punishment is irreversible as is the case with execution.

tkm1026 t1_j8wvaye wrote on February 17, 2023 at 3:05 PM

Kk. Simplified in such a way my 11 year olds could understand. The rules only work if they're equally applied to all suspects and criminals. Once a single review of evidence becomes enough to kill a person, it becomes enough to kill the appeals process altogether. What with how dead people don't get appeals.