V_Cobra21 t1_j7ihuvf wrote
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They still have very high suicide rates on par with us like South Korea they have no guns but very high suicide rate in fact we’re not even top 10 for suicide rates per capita so there’s no evidence that supports no guns less suicide deaths
omw2fyb-- t1_j7io3uo wrote
I’m talking about gun violence not suicide. Even if you remove suicide from gun death counts we still have one of the highest rates in the world and the highest gun violence rate out of all developed countries
V_Cobra21 t1_j7ivdjg wrote
Actually we range about 8-11 thousand homicides with gun a year which is lower than all South American countries and we have more guns than they do
omw2fyb-- t1_j7ivpzs wrote
You’re comparing us to South American countries? That’s exactly my point.
Compare us to Europe, Canada and East Asia. The other first world developed countries in the world. They all have mental health issues just like us… difference is they don’t have gun violence like us because they limit access to it
V_Cobra21 t1_j7iw1eq wrote
The uk per capita is still close to American gun deaths per capita
omw2fyb-- t1_j7iwdxm wrote
That’s not true at all
The UK’s violent gun death rate is 0.06 per 100,000. In America it’s 4.43 per 100,000. That’s a 73x difference
V_Cobra21 t1_j7ixbfh wrote
the problem with that is you’re comparing two countries with separate problems lots of our numbers include gang violence and domestic violence which that does not
MothWingAngel t1_j7j5pcz wrote
You can't just move the goal posts when you're shown to be incredibly incorrect.
V_Cobra21 t1_j7j7for wrote
Yet you’re comparing both countries but aren’t using the same variables imagine that being your argument let’s compare apples to apples not apples to peaches
MothWingAngel t1_j7jh5jb wrote
Just take the L
V_Cobra21 t1_j7kgoi6 wrote
For what? You’re literally using skewed data and you have no argument against it lmao
omw2fyb-- t1_j7kun96 wrote
They have gangs and domestic violence in the UK too. They just don’t have easy access to guns.
You’re delusional if you think otherwise
V_Cobra21 t1_j7kzkp6 wrote
Well look at it this way remember the US has over 300 million + people with over 400 million+ guns in it and we only have 10-12thousand some homicides then there’s the uk who has a population of 60 million people with 2 million guns with extremely extremely strict gun laws so those guns are in an exceedingly small group of people so theoretically their gun crime should be damn near zero but it’s not not even close America has more guns than people but only has 10-12 thousand gun homicides so theoretically we should have a way higher number if guns were the issue
omw2fyb-- t1_j7l13k8 wrote
We do have a way higher number. Not sure why it has to be repeated, you really are delusional about guns
The UK’s violent gun death rate is 0.06 per 100,000. In America it’s 4.43 per 100,000. That’s a 73x difference
V_Cobra21 t1_j7l1bj0 wrote
U obviously didn’t read or can’t read what I just said lmao they had 5000 + gun offenses last year
mynameisalso t1_j7jg45o wrote
>Actually we range about 8-11 thousand homicides with gun a year which is lower than all South American countries and we have more guns than they do
There's no way that is true.
V_Cobra21 t1_j7kge5b wrote
It’s a 1000% true
arkol3404 t1_j7kn5sd wrote
We actually range closer to 15,000 (in 2019) to 20,000 (in 2020) homicides with a gun per year.
>According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a total of 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries of all causes during 2020, the last year for which complete data is available.
>In 2020, more than 19,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to the CDC. The figure represents a 34% increase from 2019, and a 75% increase over the course of the previous decade.
V_Cobra21 t1_j7knl60 wrote
arkol3404 t1_j7koda2 wrote
Interesting. Two separate government agencies reporting very different statistics.
V_Cobra21 t1_j7kpfjb wrote
Colion explains it way better than I can
V_Cobra21 t1_j7kp3bo wrote
The fbi started it in 2015 and It was always around the same the cdc doesn’t show any of that or how they come to find their results tbh they’re very left leaning
BurghPuppies t1_j7lmdz5 wrote
Not the smoothest deflection ever to go from random gun violence to non-gun related suicides.
V_Cobra21 t1_j7lnv5l wrote
We were talking about mental health and suicide soooo
BurghPuppies t1_j7p193z wrote
Not originally, look at the thread. You took it there. The original post was about the officers’ shooting, and the reason behind it - mental health & guns. You took it down a totally different road.
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