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effort268 t1_j341c52 wrote

I understand the desire to build this, however, I do think they need to emphasize any affordable housing in place and perhaps change the design a bit to match the historic area. While I don’t think the design is bad, they have to be willing to compromise to get this off the ground. Either way, if this gets approved, it could take 2-3 years to actually start construction.

I am a lot more interested in NJPacs development as well as more padestrian infrustructure upgrades around Military Park and Newark Penn.

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Newarkguy1836 t1_j373mjx wrote

Either it gets redesigned to incorporate the facade, or it dies.

It may get downsized as well. I suspect that's what the "preservation" people -comprised of activists, really want. (Not to upset demographics dominated by James Street) If a downsided dumb 15 story 20% affordable version wins demo permit, you'll see how corrupt the process is.

I believe Newark will never see a building taller than 1180. Even Halo may fall short, as residential stories are way shorter than office stories.

Current Newark leadership don't want true skyscrapers. A true skyscraper or super tall is a symbolic "green light" to multiple developers & gentrification.

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ScrollHectic t1_j38pm94 wrote

Halo won't be taller than 1180? 1180 is 448 ft. The tallest Halo tower (future development) is 573 ft and 49 stories. The shortest (under construction) is supposed to be 38 stories so maybe 100 ft shorter? That should still overtake 1180 and even 744 broad (465 ft)... hopefully.

And I'm conflicted about Arc. Architecturally, I like the design (same architect as Halo and 50 Sussex) but agree it's not contextual and seems odd in that corner. Especially when you look at the renderings from street level. It would look great on Mulberry and Raymond next to the Legal Center/Seton Hall Law. And I've already done my rant about downtown affordability and displacement so I'll skip it this time...

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Kalebxtentacion t1_j38u714 wrote

See the thing is that jersey city had the same thing, do you think all those new glassy skinny buildings they got over the years fit into the area they were built in, no. Journal square towers didn’t fit but the area around it changed to fit the towers. Now look at JC the first building that started their skyscraper boom is surrounded by buildings that look like it. Given time The Arc tower will produce more development in the area and it isn’t uncommon that a glass tower is near older buildings, I mean most of the towers in lower manhattan are art deco style towers but the new World Trade towers fit into the area and skyline perfectly fine.

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Kalebxtentacion t1_j38qz6c wrote

Correct the halo tower three will be 485 or 488 feet, making it the next tallest building in Newark having over 40 stories all together including the parking garage. The smallest tower being 485 and the tallest being 539 feet

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Newarkguy1836 t1_j39tebi wrote

That's nice to know. I didn't have any figures as far as height in feet. I know the first tower would be at least 30 something stories.

That Halo Tower would indeed look nice across the PSEG building as number two Newark Center.

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recnilcram t1_j37negz wrote

I haven't looked at the halo floor plans, but any height comparison would be based on building height, not stories. There can be a small margin of error for proposed and as built height, so unless Halo is barely surpassing Newark National (which is the tallest building), it isn't complicated.

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Kalebxtentacion t1_j38r5hw wrote

Halo tower 3 will slightly surpass National Newark building but you really wouldn’t be able to tell who taller since it’s about a 30 feet height gap between both buildings.

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Newarkguy1836 t1_j3d9ccv wrote

It will look great in the skyline. It will also command attention to itself since it will be away from the main group when seen from the south & east.

Just like Boston's Hancock tower.

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Kalebxtentacion t1_j369vdp wrote

If this gets approved which is most likely won’t unless the design changes, height gets lowered and some affordable housing units construction could start as late as this year or early next year based on what the attorney said last meetings. This project grew very popular amongst this Reddit. Some of these projects will stumble they will fail but some will join the national Newark building in the sky! Fingers crossed everyone

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ryanov t1_j3ocayn wrote

I don't understand what's with this endless desire to knock down buildings in a city comprised of like 50% parking lots and vacants.

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Ironboundian OP t1_j3ofjuv wrote

Because the people who own the parking lots don’t want to turn them into buildings. They want to keep them as profitable parking lots which is the lowest tax thing they can do with the property.

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ryanov t1_j6fa1dk wrote

Which is why the city should prevent this shit.

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