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We've been on rap and hip hop for 45 years. Where did the innovation go?
I posted this comment in another thread but it got no attention, so here it is.
For me, most of the popular songs/albums/artists that always get mentioned on Reddit are either totally average or good, but in that take-it-or-leave-it kind of way where it's enjoyable but you have no desire to listen to it voluntarily.
David Bowie? His music is...fine I guess??? Never really understood why he's considered to be a musical megastar.
Leonard Cohen? Totally overrated and middle of the road. Just because your voice is deep and husky doesn't mean the music is good.
Fleetwood Mac's Rumours? Perfectly fine album, but I don't get that "Holy crap, this is a masterpiece!" feeling when I hear any of its songs. It's your standard "everyone likes it" album. Not to mention a lot of the goodness has been sucked out of it due to forty-five years of constant radio play.
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon? Better than Rumours. Not downloading it anytime soon, though.
Led Zeppelin? See above.
Everybody Wants to Rule the World by Tears for Fears? Meh.
Johnny Cash's Hurt? Not a fan. Sue Me.
Polyphia? I want to like these guys, but they're too polished and produced. They sound like Youtuber intro music. I could maybe get into them if they were darker and grittier.
Pearl Jam >>> Nirvana
I don't get the Beatles.
70's funk and disco music has aged better than 70's prog rock.
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Are we done with auto-tune yet? Can we be?
There are a ton of great new songs and artists but there is nothing original sounding anymore. Everything sounds like it’s been done before
People who "don't care for" opera have no idea what good singing is. A trained opera singer is a good singer by any standard. I am not saying great singers only sing opera; k.d. lang, Sarah Vaughan, and Bobby McFerrin are all great singers. Just stop mistaking weak-ass, breathy crooners and autotuned pretenders for singers.
Yes. Funk is a good time. It's hard to listen to funk & be in a bad mood.
Money has gripped the way music is being written and produced in a new powerful way this year. Things are being dumbed down to 5-10 second TikTok “hooks” to catch fire now. 2021 was when this truly took off but I see 2022 being the first full year that the creative process (especially pop songs) has become obsessed with this new medium of exposure. I can’t wait for the fad to die but I worry that it won’t anytime soon. And in my opinion, it has left an impact on some really great artists careers that now have written some really dumb ass songs to chase this trend.
Beastie Boys are one of the most influential groups of all time. Not just for Rap/Hip Hop.
You don’t have to Like Johnny Cash’s Hurt, but you are required to think it’s better that the original and the best cover of all time.
He stripped away all the annoying innovation and boiled it down to spoken word. If that isn’t excellence, I don’t know what is.
That’s just a fact, in my opinion. Absolutely essential group.
pretty much agree except Polyphia, though I can see why one would say that
Mr. Gioia.. is that you?
UK jazz scene of the last 5-10 years
Nirvana is the worst of the Seattle grunge bands.
They’re my third favorite of the big four, honestly.
Why do people act like Elvis is this amazing singer? His voice and singing style just sound bad to me. Very overrated.
I don’t understand Black Country New Road. Everyone raves about how they’re the next best prog jazz rock band or whatever and their new album is historical but I listened to it and it’s just boring.
Out of curiosity, who is your fourth?
Not in a condescending way, but how much knowledge of music theory do you have? Not every great piece of music will be to everyone's taste, but I've found that usually when someone rejects multiple critically acclaimed songs/albums, they usually aren't yet aware of what makes the music as good as it is, and probably haven't had a lot of exposure to good music in general
Study blues basics and a little harmony theory, I always thought they were overrated until I could hear what they do
Soundgarden
They’re all amazing bands, but I think Soundgarden peaked late (Superunknown) and they have the smallest amount of material that I love.
They have likeable songs, but I just don't think they're the greatest ever.
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I’ve tried to enjoy it.. a lot
I don't think most people who "don't care for opera" also recognize that the singers are exceptional. The quality of singing ability is not the reason they don't like it.
>how much knowledge of music theory do you have?
None.
Keep in mind I never said any of this music is bad, just that I find it either ho-hum (Bowie/Cohen), good but not great (Fleetwood Mac), or good but not to the point that I want it in my music library (Pink Floyd/Led Zeppelin). I've just never been much of a fan of the mainstream greats. You might disagree with me on this one, but I believe that in order to have mainstream appeal there needs to be a certain middle-of-the-roadness to your music. It has to appeal to a wide audience. I think Rumours exemplifies this perfectly. Yeah, it's a solid album, but in a mainstream, radio-friendly, not too edgy or different kind of way. That's just not the kind of music I crave.
Care to share what you do like? I’m curious.
I don't understand how Billie Eilish became popular.
I think you've got one more "don't" in there than you intended. You believe people Do recognize the exceptional quality of the singing - but still don't appreciate or enjoy it.
The reason I put quotes around "don't care for" is that I think those who don't appreciate opera, don't "get" opera. It is the highest form of performing art; it isn't for anyone to dismiss, wholesale. A person who will open their ears and their heart will learn to appreciate opera.
Anyway, my main point is that good and not-so-good singing is an objectively determinable thing - to someone who knows how to listen.
Go see as much music as possible. Go see ween as soon as possible. Support your favorite artists in all their endeavors- not just their big name shows. Jazz and funk are alive and well in New Orleans (Mike Dillon, Johnny Vidacovich, George Porter Jr. hold it down.) The Northeast is still jamming and has given us lespecial- they fuvk … latest Man Man album is unreal epic… I’m sad the Allman’s no longer take over NYC in March and I’m kinda shocked phish still do it for NYE.
Not true. Man Man Birdcloud Mike Dillon lespecial Tropical Fuvk Storm Punch Brothers
Also: I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t get Bob Dylan.
Elvis sounds the same in every song he sings.
Dolly Parton is overrated.
Instruments need to make a comeback in popular music. Computer clicks and zippity-zaps aren’t “music”.
Lyrics hurt more songs than they help. Fully instrumental music should be a lot more popular.
Never pay more than $40 for a concert.
Large arena shows are garbage.
Music is better now than it's ever been. It just requires more time investment / research from the listener.
Tired of people saying "music just ain't what it used to be!"
Yes, it is. You're likely just out of the loop due to old age or laziness. There's more out there beyond top 40 hits.
This is one of the most common music opinions I hear shared either on the internet or in person.
This is definitely true for The Red Hot Chili Peppers tbh
Madonna>>>Lady Gaga
Idk, pop is kinda the most popular recently and rap has been big for even longer. So since both genres are extremely popular it would make sense for the opinion of either or even both are bad to be uncommon. Maybe a loud minority and quite majority? That seems probable
Nickleback isn't that bad
I don't think you actually know what auto-tune is. Auto-tune is purely pitch correction.
You're sick of other sound softwares with effects. I'm sure.
Answer: Lana Del Rey got too far into her 30's and we're an age-ist society who places too much value on being young.
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It is an amazing cover and song . . . but . . .
Florence + The Machine - " I Don't Wanna Know ( Mario Winan ) "
Florence + the Machine - " Oh Darling ( The Beatles ) "
KIMBRA - " Plain Gold Ring " ( Nina Simone )
Annie Lennox - " Under Pressure " ( Queen x Bowie )
Aretha Franklin - " Natural Woman " ( Carole King )
I mean . . . it has some competition. More than I could name.
People who like " The Vocal Trinity " ( Mariah - Celine - Whitney Houston )
They don't actually like or enjoy music as much as they like to argue that their favorite singer is better than yours.
Lady Gaga is overrated ( a terrible person as well ) . . .
Every choir has around 3 girls who sound somewhere inbetween Gaga - Lea Michelle and Demi Lovato and they don't have the largest difference between their voices as is anyway. ( The only thing that makes her special isn't so much being special it's just she has good technique? )
and she is a highly questionable / bad lyricist.
I like opera but . . . I only half agree with your ending statement.
There are some people who are breathy and crooning and it works. IT's a choice and that make it work and it genuinely sounds good.
But if every song you make is a mumbled, washed out, formulated hipster rerun of what you've already done a dozen times I'm sick of it.
Ghost is not a metal band.
I definitely disagree with your take on mainstream music. Dark side of the moon is hugely experimental, one of the least radio friendly, middle of the road albums to sell millions of copies. I think people like you who prefer edgy, underground artists still a lot of the time try to give reasons the classics aren't "great" to them, rather than just say they aren't their taste. Not knowing anything about music definitely influences the ear as well. Bands like Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, and Pink Floyd are made up of objectively phenomenal musicians, and they definitely use that ability in their song writing. Not being able to recognize harmonies and musical elements, I can see why someone would find them a bit boring. (For the record, David Bowie isn't the type of music I'd download, but I recognize what makes his music creative)
With phenomenal musicality and creative song structure. Christ, you could say this about 95% of pop artists in the last 10 years and you choose her?
Pop has always been the most popular, that's what makes it pop
There's also the trend that modern pop is made to be TikTok background music
Again, I'm not meaning this in an insulting way, but you saying any music loved by many is "not too different, mass appeal" is like a non-chef telling Gordon Ramsay his food just doesn't quite have enough pizazz. It's ok to not like something, but I don't think you can discount it in any way unless you're an expert in the field, and I've never met an expert who discounts any of the mainstream "legends"
Gaga is objectively a brilliant vocalist. Also, how is she a terrible person?
Listen to Revolver - you won’t be disappointed
Also one of the first concept albums Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club Band
Sgt. Pepper is the most overrated Beatles album.
Clapton is the most overrated guitarist of all time.
Beyoncé doesn’t write any of her own songs
Like I said, great technique. But as an actual sound does her voice have anything special about it? Or does it sound like plenty of other people and she just has more skill and ability with it?
and . . .you really want me to go into this?
If I do you're not going to be some super defensive Gaga stan who comes up with an excuse for everything and tries to make me out to be a hater when YOU asked? ( everytime I spill, someone gets defensive )
Because I stand by everything I'm going to say and they always want to argue with me to change my mind OR they want to deny everything because they like drinking the cult Koolaid. Which . . . they can do them? I don't care what someone I don't know is into or what they support.
I'm not a Gaga stan, just answer the damn question and quit the bullshit.
King Crimson aged better than anything Disco genre produced.
There is no bullshit, I just don't want to deal with you if you're going to behave like a fucking clown.
Especially since it's a long amount of bullshit if I actually type out the detail and meat of it all. It's PARAGRAPHS and I'm not going to fuck with it if you're just going to go " Teehee TLDR; buy her shitty album on iTunes "
So here is the bare-bones NO DETAIL - NO EXPLANATION list of things.
Interesting. I've never heard any of that but I'll look into it. Happy New Year by the way.
The plagiarism and look theft will be hard to find out. Just as a warning.
But yeah " Do What U Want With My Body " she went out of her way to work with R. Kelly was already dragged through the dirt less than a decade before and had been dragged even up to that point as a meme for being caught on tape urinating on a minor.
She went out of her way to work with him when he had + 30 charges INCLUDING trafficking.
Plus she was besties with Terry Richardson until he FINALLY got blacklisted for real a few years ago. He was a big photographer who had a long list of +30 accusations himself.
That stuff should be easy to find. As well as some of the other stuff if you google her lawsuit with her assistant. For some reason a lot of her claims didn't raise worry at the time because everyone was kissing her ass making her out to be a saint.
Anyway have a good New Year yourself.
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Check out Thank You Scientist. Prog rock with a horn section and catchy hooks.
Metallica sucks.
Been recording and mixing for 20 years, mate, I know what autotune is and how it’s used (beyond pitch correction) to create “that sound.”
phish are terrible
Your ranking of the big 4 is starting to sound identical to mine. Who's your number 1?
I've been preaching this one for a while. We're living in a golden age for underground music, but everyone just wants to scream that we're in a dark age for popular music
That take is QUITE hot
Honestly, just thinking that music can be good or bad and that it's not all purely just a matter of taste is already a controversial opinion enough to get you crucified in much of the music community
But besides that my answer is that ACDC and Guns N Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever and their vocalists sound horrible
>I think people like you who prefer edgy, underground artists still a lot of the time try to give reasons the classics aren't "great" to them, rather than just say they aren't their taste.
They literally aren't my taste. I was just trying to give an in depth explanation as to why. I'm sure you could take a song I think is great and break down why you think it isn't and I would end up disagreeing with you.
Also, understanding the technical ability and musical elements behind a piece of music isn't going to make the sounds entering my ears any different. Heck, you even admit this yourself when you said David Bowie is talented but you wouldn't download his music. I feel the same way about Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, Eagles, Journey, Bee Gees, et cetera.
Yeah, at this point I'm sure it sounds like I'm doing that annoying "I'm a special snowflake because I don't like mainstream music" thing, but for whatever reason I genuinely just don't get a huge amount of enjoyment from it.
By the way, most people dislike what I listen to, so I think it's a wash.
The Rolling Stones live aren't even a good bar band. Their live albums and performances I've seen are awful.
More time investment/research? I’d argue the opposite.
Pearl Jam, followed (closely) by Alice In Chains.
Dang we were almost twins
I can see where you're going with that. I can't say I disagree. I guess my point is that if people aren't happy with what they're hearing in popular music it's their job to break out of that and find artists they click with. I'm just tired of people putting down an entire generation of fantastic music because it isn't the Beatles or Led Zeppelin or whatever.
Believe me, I fully agree with you and harp on this to people all the time. It’s all right there, and it’s not even hard to find.
The Police are the most overrated rock n roll band ever. I will never understand their massive appeal or success.
Different strokes, I won't try to prove I'm right or anything, I'd just say that I think knowing music does change the sound going into your ears, at least the way your brain processes what you're hearing. Worth it to anyone who sees music as a big part of their life imo
Adam Gontier from Three Days Grace is one of the best vocalists of all time. I've heard many singers from so many different genres but there are very few who can do what he has done. I've never heard anyone mention his name when they discuss the all time greats. Just go and watch a random live performance from him. Even in an acoustic setting his delivery is perfect. People might get triggered to see a "butt rock" singer in the same conversation as Plant, Mercury, Cornell etc. but it is the reality. Range, feel, power, clarity, stamina, intensity he checks all the boxes.
yeah, I just checked them out on youtube...they're trying too hard...very "art school."
so many of those samples are still used in music of all kinds
Rap music is rock n roll as it’s in the tradition of punk rock. And hip hop artists should be in the rock n’roll HOF.
Thanks, I’ll check these out.
My post was a reference to the fact that every time there is a post about covers, the first person to write Johnny cash hurt gets an automatic 10,000 upvotes. Its pretty good I guess, but I think it’s worse than the original.
Foo Fighters are generic and terrible
He is amazing
Very underrated
Too many genre names! Who's making this shit up?
I was with you 'til you mentioned Journey , now you've gone too far 😆
Yay! Someone said it at last 👏
Queen are the most overrated band in history and recorded alot of truly terrible songs and are only as big as they are because Freddie was gay and died young.
Her debut was a banger, let's take nothing away from her and her brother. What shot her into superstardom was a unique style and energy and being relatable for Gen Z/Tik Tok
There’s also tons of great music that’s popular, on the charts, and easy to find. I’m tired of people acting like everything mainstream is shit and the only good stuff is underground.
Related take, One Hot Minute is the best Chili Peppers album and everything since has been pretty lame, Frusciante is given way too credit
As someone who loved the last song of the epic album The Downward Spiral for twenty years before Cash covered it, I can confidently say that no it is not automatically better
Is that a hot take?
Everyone should listen to more Jazz. It's such a large genre with so much phenomenal talent and recordings. Jazz influenced all modern music and is still evolving itself.
How is any of this controversial? All three are true.
The Nashville Numbering system currently used to write songs is killing County Music. It leaves us with boring, bland, soulless songs.
Rock and heavy metal... Yes! 100%.
The County Music scene, not so true.
Yes! Most overrated band ever.
He’s a tremendous talent, but you’d think Frusciante was a unicorn that ****s gold by how euphoric RHCP fans react when he does anything with the band. The last two albums were only OK in my book tbh.
very little post-2000 music is going to age well, maybe 5% and that's being very generous
Yep. I think even the band doesn’t want to reign him in. Two DOUBLE albums in one year? C’mon
Hot take? The RHCP haven’t recorded a good album since Uplift Mofo Party Plan. Hillel Slovak died and everything since then has been a pale imitation of their early greatness.
I like the cut of your jib
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That's my take on Hurt basically. I feel the best part about Cash's version is the music video which I think is phenomenal. But the cover itself doesn't work for me, especially next to the original.
Just to rile up my fellow jam band fans lol…influence aside, John Mayer is a better player than Jerry.
Dusty Springfield is a better singer than Beyonce and Adele.
I haven’t seen them live but granted they are top class musician I never liked their music I don’t see what’s so special about it or why they are a standout band from the rest of the crowd 🤷🏻♂️
I think they have some fun songs
I was just scrolling to find that one person who would say this, ha I found you lol, na queen are great dude, there plenty of great stuff, bohemian rhapsody alone is enough to put them in the list of one of the greatest
As far as new Rock and Metal go the radio is dead to me. Unless it's a special segment or show you aint getting any Metal. I see no radio stations with only new Rock. You have to sit through 25 songs you got sick of 30 years ago to hear 1 new song and it's one that SUCKS.
There is a ton of good new music being released but you have to hunt it down differently.
I'll sample new songs on Amazon. Play a fuller version on YouTube. Buy when ever.
How do you classify them? I'm kind of in the hard rock/metal borderline camp so I could agree with this
Lil Wayne can not be compared to but if there was any contender I’d say no cap is this generations lil Wayne as far was word play doubles triples and rhyme schemes
Not a Frusciante fan?
Yea that trend sucks. Where the whole song is just ok until 1 part is good for tik tok and then it goes back to meh. Kinda ruins modern pop and all that
Indeed I'm 67.I never understood the hype of a Stones concert. I saw them one time. That was plenty. Alot of their albums however are gold.
So is Trey, but neither can play Jerry's music anywhere close to how Jerry played them.
Here’s mine!
With respect.. 50 Cent sucks.
50 Cent has ALWAYS sucked.
Why do people think he’s good?
Nope. At his best, he is a Slovak imitator. My bigger issue is they went from a punk/funk band to an arena rock band. It wasn’t Frusciante’s fault, but he was there when it happened.
Bruce Springsteen is boring and overrated
It went out the door. I’m sure there’s good new rap out there but what I mostly hear is wannabe gangster talk over super simple beats.
Er....ok?
It’s a taste thing and over time I think the taste has soured over the generations. Also, back when he was stealing music from black artists and presenting it as something new many whites hadn’t heard that shit yet. So there was hype that lasted a long time.
Ten is my favorite album of all time.
Bar none.
Audioslave.
I live in a small town in NE PA and the free music scene at the pubs around me is fire. Like blues, jam rock, bluegrass and jazz.
That’s like, your opinion man. You’re allowed to have it but you’re also wrong lol
“Country” music died a long time ago. For the reason you’re pointing out. IMO the new “country” vibe is coming from the Sturgills, Tylers, and Colters out there and even that shit is being pumped to mainstream. So much so that Sturgill won’t even tour currently.
Truthfully 95% of any music didn’t age well. We’re listening to > 5% of all the music ever made anyway
I always thought Phish was more about the experience of the show than the music. I’m sure Phish heads listen to it outside of a venue but I’m not sure why.
The new stuff is actually pretty good
It sucks that Marilyn Manson had to be a jerk
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My hot take with music has to be that pop is overrated and kinda bad, and so is almost all of rap. They just dont hit as good as other genres