Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j1zi6mm wrote
Reply to comment by Opus-the-Penguin in Wiil CD's make a comeback like Vinyl? by trukises
"This is so bizarre. CDs replaced vinyl because the sound quality was off the charts better. People who prefer the sound of vinyl are actually preferring the slight hum and crackle that is added by the needle interacting with the record."
Which is easy to add back in with a VST like RC20.
Opus-the-Penguin t1_j1zijbc wrote
Exactly! A CD can sound exactly like an LP. An LP lacks the physical capability to give you all the sound that a CD can.
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j1zjqxy wrote
What people actually like about Vinyl Records (besides the Collectible Aspect and the HUGE album art) is the subtle harmonic distortion, the wobble caused by the non-perfect spinning speed of the turntable, and just the general imperfection that comes with an analogue medium.
Vinyl Dust and the other traits are to Music what Scanlines on a CRT is to Retro Gamers. CD is obviously better -- it's a cleaner sound, and playing your 8bit & 16bit games on a high quality HD TV is better, but the nostalgic feeling is from the Imperfections.
Old Vinyl Records make crackly noises.
Old CRT TVs make everything fuzzy.
But software options are getting better and better at replicating those traits.
appleburger17 t1_j206s3a wrote
Go state this in r/vinyl and see if "what people actually like about vinyl records...is the general imperfection". You're just wrong.
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j206zby wrote
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j207o1g wrote
If this was an argument about Religion, I might feel compelled to engage in some battle.
But this is about Music, which is subjective. Preferences are preferences. Some people think you should be crucified if you like Ham & Pineapple on your Pizza. I couldn't give a shxt -- Pizza is Pizza. It all tastes the same anyway. Lol.
Some people think you should be tortured to death if you play a 4:3 Aspect Ratio game in forced 16:9....
I say: let people like what they like. If some guy out there likes Mini-Disc, let him listen to Mini-Disc.
If some guy wants to play Super Mario World in 16:9 Aspect Ratio, let him. I don't care enough to argue with them and tell them they're "enjoying the game wrong."
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j2098l0 wrote
My preference to listen to Music in a digital form is not going to magically make all the Vinyl records in the world disappear.
My preference to play Retro Games emulated is not going to magically make all the physical game carts and cartridges in the world disappear.
You will still have your precious jewel hoard, okay Smaug? Nobody is trying to take your stash. (Even though I can just copy it... Lol.)
appleburger17 t1_j209az0 wrote
You made a statement about what other people prefer. I'm telling you that statement is wrong and giving you a way to get the correct information. If you don't care to be corrected or find the correct information then I have nothing more to offer you. You are remaining willfully ignorant.
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j20dqm0 wrote
The only aspect I like about Vinyl is sometimes finding cool and unique stuff to sample. (YouTube is a frigging gold mine of potential samples). And samples don't need to be 100% perfect --- even the old-school Akai MPC 2000 did not have a "perfect" sound quality. But people still used it and made some amazing beats with it.
DJ Premier made the "Nas Is Like" beat on it and that's one of the nicest Boom Bap beats I've ever heard.
Music is subjective. You may ~hate~ the stuff that I like. But I don't care. I'm still gunna like it, whether you approve or not.
Is a Playboi Carti fan going to care that I ~hate~ Trap / Mumble Rap and stop listening to what they like because I personally dislike it??? Probably not.
They're just gunna say "Fug-Off, you grouchy Old Head!"
appleburger17 t1_j1zmzxk wrote
How does it lack the physical capability? It’s analog (physical) vs. digital. Digital mimics analog and is dependent on its ability to convert and write data as a close approximation of the analog (vinyl). A CD is limited to 16bit 44.1kHz which is lower than most streaming services that offer 24bit playback. A vinyl record is not limited by bit or sample rate at all. That’s not to say that modern digital conversion is poor but even taking a high quality digital recording of a vinyl record and burning it to a standard CD inherently decreases quality because of the 16/44.1 limitation. You’re making it pretty obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about below a surface level.
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j1zr5sp wrote
The real question is --- Do I care???
Do I ~care~ enough to spend $300 on a fancy Vacuum Tube amp???
Do I ~care~ enough to buy a subscription to Tidal so I can stream FLAC files???
Music isn't about ~perfection~
It's about having fun and enjoying the art.
Playing Retro Games isn't about ~perfection~
It's about having fun playing the game and just enjoying it for what it is.
What difference does it make whether I play Secret of Mana on a Real SNES with an old CRT for the "Authentic Experience™" or whether I play it on a hacked Nintendo Wii, or whether I play it on a PC using Retro Arch or ZSNES???? It's still Secret of Mana. That's the only part of it that matters ~TO ME~
I can listen to D12 & Eminem in FLAC or MP3 @ 320 KBPS, or even ATRAC on my Sony D-NE320 CD Player, and it's still gunna be the same songs with the same lyrics.
I don't care about "purity"
I only care about my own personal pleasure. And for me, some cheap Skull Candy Ink Plus earbuds or One Odio A71 Over Ear Cup Headphones is juuuuuust fiiiiiine.
I am not an Elitist (except when it comes to lyrics, you won't catch me bumping any of that Psychedelic Mumble Mess).
appleburger17 t1_j1zttvq wrote
That’s great for you. I don’t know how it applies to the conversation at hand though.
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j1zvkt7 wrote
What you are really after is a reason to feel smug. Oooh, look at me, I'm the big fancy audiophile, I have perfect hearing like a Canine. Ohhhh, look at me -- I'm a Vegan and I don't eat meat. Whoopidy freekin' doo. LAH-DEE-GAWD-DAMN DAHHH!!!
~is trying to do a Chris Farley voice~
appleburger17 t1_j203ioi wrote
I have offered no information about my personal preference. You know, because nobody asked. I know that might seem foreign to you. I’m offering facts that answer a specific question and resulting conversation.
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j1zt3j5 wrote
"You’re making it pretty obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about below a surface level."
You're right because I absolutely do not give a shit -- if other people wanna judge me for liking "Lower Quality Files" let them. I don't care. If you can tell the difference between a FLAC and a 320kbps MP3 - great! Good for you. But I can't. I failed ~most~ of these.
https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality
Is analogue better because it can have more "organic subtlety in the waveform" or whatever??? I guess??? Probably????
I don't really care. I personally cannot hear those "organic subtleties." And I'm not going to go to bed angry about it. I like what ~I~ like. If I wanna play an 8bit or 16bit game with a 2xSAI pixel smoothing filter. I WILL.
If I wanna play it stretched out of its natural 4:3 Aspect Ratio and FORCE it into 16:9 so that it fills out edge to edge. I WILL.
AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME.
BUWAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Fluffy_Little_Fox t1_j1zungw wrote
Exactly! A CD can sound exactly like an LP. An LP lacks the physical capability to give you all the sound that a CD can.
It can if I process it with RC20 VST.
I can add crackle-pops. Tape Hiss. "Worn Spots" where the tape audio drops out. I can add Harmonic Distortion like a Tube Amp. I can muck about with the audio any way I want. You want "Warm?" I can ~make~ it Warm. You want "Wide?" I can ~make~ it Wide.
Laethettan t1_j1zopy5 wrote
Holy shit are you really claiming Analogue hi fi is inferior to a limited Bitrate Digital Format? Sadface
Opus-the-Penguin t1_j1zs6l4 wrote
Am I really claiming that high quality analogue is better than low quality digital? No. Am I really claiming that the best digital is capable of more faithful sound reproduction than the best analogue? Of course. That's a measurable fact. At the most, you can claim that very expensive analogue can be as good as relatively affordable digital. But a $1000 record player can't reproduce sound more faithfully than a $30 CD player.
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