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RaysUnderwater t1_iy660ua wrote

I really struggle to separate artists from their art. There’s no doubt he was an incredible musician, just as Picasso was an incredible painter … but I just feel guilty consuming their art because of how they behaved in their private lives

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Ok_Tax7195 t1_iy69ufw wrote

Just because someone is accused of something doesn't mean they did it. MJ was a constant target for people looking for payouts, so I take that shit with a grain of salt. Even more so now that our culture has a "guilty until proven innocent" mentality.

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dwt77 t1_iy706n6 wrote

This isn't that simple. He also had a crap load of kids hanging out in Neverland on a daily basis, and slept with children in his bed. That's an undisputed fact that he himself admitted to. Just strictly from a perspective of a human being ... That's weird as shit. I don't care that he was an overgrown man child and all the thousands of excuses you hear from the people who idolized him. Like who sleeps in the bed with stranger's kids? What the hell even is that? Think if your neighbor or friend was taking in tons of kids in their house and having them in their beds. You'd be ready to show up at the door with the police. But since this dude Moonwalked and sold millions of records and we had his poster on the wall, that behavior is cool? Bullshit. A few accusers I could see ...But he had several and paid millions in hush money and settlements. Like ...really? What if a televangelist did the same shit? Or a politician? The whole world would collectively hang them in the public square. Nobody would even be second guess the accusers. But since it is the coolest pop star in history it is a giant conspiracy that every child was in on.

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Ok_Tax7195 t1_iy7nfz7 wrote

He had the FBI investigating him for over a decade and they didn't find a single shred of wrongdoing. When the FBI gets involved, they don't screw around.

He's dumb for putting himself in that position, and it's weird as hell, but I don't think the FBI has anything to gain by letting him off the hook if anything shady were going on.

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RaysUnderwater t1_iy6zb37 wrote

In my day to day life, if an acquaintance is accused by 3 separate people of the same abhorrent crime, then I am comfortable cutting them off. I don’t need to wait for a criminal conviction.

If I had a personal relationship with them that demanded personal loyalty I might need more evidence or give them the benefit of the doubt, as I’m sure MJ’s family feel the need to, but generally I would give 3 children the benefit of the doubt over a stranger.

I definitely feel a bit ick that I still enjoy his music. It’s a conundrum, but I’m not going to pretend he is innocent so that I don’t have to feel guilty.

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cjboffoli t1_iy69e85 wrote

If the world were to stop consuming art due to the bad behavior of artists, there would be a dearth of art to consume.

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mabirm t1_iy9jlae wrote

It should help to know that the kids involved recanted their testimony later in life and said their parents coached them. Not to mention, no evidence was ever made admissible in court other than the testimony. It was a fucked up trial

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JuanDiablos t1_iy7odu9 wrote

Agreed. It doesn't sit well with me at all.

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