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specialspartan_ t1_jco3g0v wrote

You've just discovered the moral argument for piracy.

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darw1nf1sh t1_jcovumh wrote

No, they didn't. The question is should you even enjoy or listen to music created by problematic artists. Mozart was an asshole. Wagner was an antisemite. We still listen to their music and enjoy it apart from the composer. That has nothing to do with the moral question of whether stealing a product is justified or not.

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specialspartan_ t1_jcp1u9f wrote

It absolutely does. Appreciation of art and music is an integral part of the human experience and losing that due to a concern over giving financial support and enabling assholes and abusers is a terrible choice. The obvious solution is to enjoy the art you want to and steal it from those you don't want to enable so that you are not forced to choose to deprive yourself of what you love or enable such people.

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darw1nf1sh t1_jcp3l8i wrote

You don't need art to live. It isn't food, or water, or shelter. Your desire to have it does not give you a right to steal it, regardless of the artist. There is no justification for it morally or ethically. Your inability to afford it or unwillingness to support the artist, does not give you carte blanche to steal it.

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specialspartan_ t1_jcp5wxt wrote

P. S. Thanks for supporting grocery theft and squatter's rights.

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darw1nf1sh t1_jcp98cg wrote

So you agree with me then that stealing food if you are starving is different from stealing music you don't need but want? We could argue the ethics of homelessness, but we aren't. We are talking about piracy of unnecessary things. You can rationalize it however you want, but it is theft.

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specialspartan_ t1_jcpbe6g wrote

Different and more justified, yes, but that's not a contradiction to anything I've said nor does it reinforce any argument you've made. Good talk.

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