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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0ag6i wrote

Reply to comment by doms_sebastiao in Problem with group buys by hiszpanskiinkwizytor

A person named Fran on mykeyboard.eu discrord channel said they are meeting deadlines... I don't know what I should think about it now...

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MayAsWellStopLurking t1_iy2flol wrote

Thinking that Keyreative is meeting their deadlines purely based on the feedback from one vendor suggests you’re not applying sound assessment skills to the issue.

It’s also worth noting that you cited your personal GB track record as a sign of the issue. The plural of anecdote is not data. To that end, many GBs have successfully completed in time or are within schedule, but unless you’ve known to look out for them they ‘don’t count’ because they’re not your GB.

The Bear65 v2 GB was July 2022 with an estimated production time of 5 months; many buyers have units in hand, with more going out every day.

The other thing you’ve noticed that disproves your point is how many other items are no longer GB.

BadseedTech’s Tactile switch drop; DriftMechanics Austin, the majority of PBTFans first few sets, as well as NicePBT and many Novelkeys PBT sets.

There is change happening where some vendors are fronting costs and only announcing products when they’re ready to be sold, but because they’re ‘not a GB’ you don’t know the timeline of when the order was placed.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy2qdlp wrote

> It’s also worth noting that you cited your personal GB track record as a sign of the issue. The plural of anecdote is not data.

Are you kidding me? :D If everybody was acting like you say, there would be no discussions on the internet XD
Are you suggesting that I should be happy about GB because some people got some of their GBs on time, while I didn't receive any of mine ever even close to the estimated deadline?

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MayAsWellStopLurking t1_iy34ql9 wrote

>Are you suggesting that I should be happy about GB because some people got some of their GBs on time, while I didn't receive any of mine ever even close to the estimated deadline?

I think you need to help separate the frustration with your bad GB experiences to help understand that there is more to a Good or Bad Group Buy than whether it's a Group Buy.

You've been asking for examples of other GBs that have gone off without a hitch or met deadlines. The Bear65 v2, Av4, Lumberjack, are examples of varying GBs (both big and small) that were successful. Why they didn't have delays may have more to do with who was running the GB (as well as what they were offering), and are demonstrations that the GB model isn't self-evidently bad; moreso that it works differently for switches, keyboards, and keycaps.

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