got bored, brought my keyboard to workSubmitted by febreeeeeze t3_z84fgh in MechanicalKeyboards
Swizzel-Stixx t1_iya6zjb wrote
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You mean shortcuts that don’t work on the logitech or shortcuts that the trainee made?
Also, what layout do you use normally?
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyaklff wrote
Shortcuts that I've become accustomed to on my programmables, that don't work on a standard keyboard, like having arrows on IJKL, using the Pipe key for Backspace, and using the right alphas for a numpad.
As far as the layout goes, this is it.
JDBCool t1_iyb3fv3 wrote
What am I looking at here....
Seriously. I want to see the "logic" of this layout.
As far as I can tell, the black right hand side has what you've said, a numb pad, but what's up with the split backspace. Is it like "one is delete if I hold fn"?
NoOne-NBA- t1_iybimfu wrote
It's all about minimizing hand movements.
The black keys act as alphas with no layer keys pressed.
They act as an arrow cluster on IJKL, with Backspace, Delete, Pg Up and Pg Dn around them, when the Capslock or black Fn key are held.
They act as a normal numpad, momentarily when the left 1.5u is held, or the numpad layer toggles in/out with the white Fn key, allowing me to bump it with my right thumb, then enter whatever I need to, like when I need to use the calculator.
Having all those different things centered on the "K" key lets me switch from alphas, to arrows, to numpad completely on the fly, depending on what I do with my left thumb and pinky.
After spending so much time not having to move my hands, using the Logitech today was horrible.
I realize it's a first world problem, but I was having to move my hand ALL THE WAY OVER to the dedicated numpad and arrows again today.
JDBCool t1_iybkwte wrote
>after spending so much time not having to move my hands.... ALL THE WAY OVER to the dedicated numpad.
Ah hahah..... this sounds very familiar..... from a few accountants I know.... they're all desperately finding southpaws
And yeah, having things centered around "K" does sound smart. Far away from most "standard essential" shortcuts. Something I might consider for a future board.
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyblngz wrote
I am actually a southpaw myself.
That's the primary reason the numpad is at the forefront of all my designs.
I use it constantly for numeric entry, when doing graphics at work.
At night, I use it for gaming because I hold the mouse in my left hand, making the numpad/arrow/nav cluster perfect for button entry.
SoundDrill t1_iyc4f7z wrote
Doesn't USB allow multiple devices? Have them connect both keyboards and they will get intimidated into using the normal looking Logitech one.
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyd2y5b wrote
That does work, and I did have both plugged in.
Physically swapping the keyboards out, every time we swapped seats, would have been more distracting, than helpful.
SoundDrill t1_iyd8o2u wrote
Oh ok..
I have an idea which is a bit excessive. You mod both your keyboard and the logitech with type c with a breakout board and hide that inside. One USB C cable and everyone's happy
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyda9ha wrote
The Logitech is already wireless, so it's not a connectivity issue, it's about workflow.
If I am constantly swapping keyboards, every time we switch seats, it distracts from what really needs to be learned.
The only reason this is even an issue this week is because I am training someone to cover for me when I'm gone.
When I'm actually gone, I'll just leave the Logitech for them.
Ennui2 t1_iyb752w wrote
This is amazing. Love the customization
Swizzel-Stixx t1_iyc73dd wrote
Oh, so you mean your custom shortcuts that don’t work on the logitech layout? That board looks epic, and functional.
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyd3ln7 wrote
Your reaction is a little less profane than my boss' reaction, when he saw it, and considerably less entertaining.
He was walking into my office, talking about a customer's requests, and suddenly just froze, mid-sentence, got this weird look on his face, and asked me, "WTF kind of keyboard is THAT!", really loudly.
Swizzel-Stixx t1_iydahk3 wrote
Lol, yeah that would be funny. He probably hadn’t been initiated though, which most of us here have. When you said custom I thought you meant alice or something. But this does actually look really useful, with the explanation you gave. Otherwise it might just look like mismatched keycaps…
solracarevir t1_iycydb0 wrote
I have been in this shithole called hobby for over 5 years, and let me tell you:
I Fear no Layout, But that thing.... Scares me.
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyd6ttu wrote
This layout is much more natural than most smaller orthos.
There's very little to "learn", or "remember" on my layout, even for someone coming straight from a non-programmable 100% board.
With no modifiers in play, everything is right where you'd expect it, on a standard staggered 65% board, except that the ? key is moved over one key to the right, piggy-backed on top of the Right Shift key.
The only things you need to learn/remember are the two layer modifiers.
Black Fn is exactly like moving your right hand to the arrow keys, except it adds extra keys around the arrows.
That keeps you from having to "move your hand" yet again, to do things like delete the text you just selected.
The left blank 1.5 key next to that is exactly like moving your hand to the numpad on an 1800 or 100%, down to having the vertical 2u NumEnter.
solracarevir t1_iyditvp wrote
I retract myself. Looking at it carefully I kinda agree with you. Is just the numpad in the middle threw me off. It really is not very different from a Preonic
Un111KnoWn t1_iycgkpo wrote
what is right alpha?
QuickbuyingGf t1_iycvmdd wrote
I presume u-p, j-;, m-enter
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyd4bso wrote
Correct.
It is the alpha characters on the right side of the keyboard.
In the picture, it's the block of black keycaps, shaped like a normal numpad.
NotClever t1_iyd51w0 wrote
What are those on the D and K keys? I assume it's something you added as a tactile aid to locating your fingers, like home row bumps, but I'm curious what exactly you used.
NoOne-NBA- t1_iyd94yr wrote
They are rubber cabinet bumpers I got off Amazon, used as properly located Mac homing dots.
Until they caved to PC convention, with the release of the original iMac, Apple had their indexing nibs on D and K, so I have kept adding my own, after they switched.
Indexing with the same fingers, everywhere, makes much more sense to me than indexing the alphas with my pointer fingers, and the numpad with my middle finger.
grantus1337 t1_iyb5eow wrote
Lol how do you get work done on that? I assume you don’t work in finance.
NoOne-NBA- t1_iybj1vb wrote
I do graphics, so I'm used to heavy key-chording.
Being able to switch from numbers to alphas to arrows and back, without moving your hand at all, is really nice.
I did a very intense study of exactly how I was using a keyboard in my work environment, then compacted that keyboard into a 60% footprint, designed for exactly how I work.
I'm working on the sister board to this, for home use.
That one's going to be a bit different because I don't game at work.
I'm putting that one into a 60% case as well, but will be using one without HHKB blockers.
Panasonicy0uth t1_iybnk7v wrote
I work in finance and have gotten away with using a 60% for most of my career. Git good, scrub.
AndrejPatak t1_iyaa30k wrote
They probably meant the custom OS shortcuts that match their custom layout didn't fit the logitechs boring, standard layout.
Swizzel-Stixx t1_iyc6qs1 wrote
Yeah, probably. I thought the boring layouts were meant to be good for shortcuts though?
AndrejPatak t1_iyc9lk1 wrote
I think that the history of standard layout goes so far back that I couldn't answer that even with 10 hours of research.
Swizzel-Stixx t1_iyd9abf wrote
Probably. No point trying, at this point really. But op replied and said it was his custom board shortcuts that didn’t work
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