HerrAdventure t1_j9y3jnh wrote
Reply to comment by MosskeepForest in Transgender teacher dismissed for sharing inappropriate TikTok videos with Maine middle school students by jaypr4576
Your rhetoric, do you think it can be copy pasted into other aspects we see in modern-day discussions? Toxic certainty is a big issue that is unhealthy to society, and to our minds.
Headline aside, the issue that arose from this is disturbing. Headlines like this are not necessary to tell the story at large of what occurred. It's clickbait, adds fuel to their base, and keeps the views coming.
My advice to anyone that wants to, check out allsides.com to see how news headlines are portrayed on the Left, Right, and Center.
MosskeepForest t1_j9y7m35 wrote
Where are the daily articles from fox News about non-trans teachers breaking minor school policies?
I just saw a video on Twitter of a male teacher that accidentally had his Facebook up on the projector while looking at women's profiles where they were in bikinis.
Where are the fox news articles about that creep?
HerrAdventure t1_j9yaa3e wrote
I believe you missed the point I brought up with a reference to a nonpartisan site that showcases issues with headlines of the media. Fox News does promulgate its stories to its base interests much like CNN does on its headlines. I also noted the term toxic certainty as being an issue that stems from a tribal mindset and to adhere to that, companies will forego news stories to appease their followers. It's fear tactics to keep them coming back for more. The best thing we all can do is relax and not show support for the polarizing objective the MSM has created.
The story is the story and can be said neutrally. To answer your question, those articles are not in their best interest which is wrong and not complete, and I agree with your premise that overlooking one instead of the other is not of value to the concern of what has occurred. Can we agree that Fox has an agenda of targeting transgender issues? I know I can. And I'm agreeing with you. I'm not agreeing with you in labeling an entire base of people as a broad brush stroke, however. That also is wrong to do.
MosskeepForest t1_j9yj7h1 wrote
>I'm not agreeing with you in labeling an entire base of people as a broad brush stroke, however. That also is wrong to do.
Groups of people who use literal Nazi tactics to try and reframe LGBT people as "threats to children" should not be tolerated.
History showed us what happens when a group runs free with that type of propaganda. And conservatives are trying the same thing right now, complete with fascist use of the state to attack trans peoples rights.
These fucking Nazis are painted with the exact brush they deserve. Decent people should be standing up VERY CLEARLY against these god damned fascists and traitors attacking our fellow Americans.
I don't tolerate Nazis in my back yard pushing their fascist propaganda. Fuck them.
freetheroux t1_ja2w7vj wrote
Groups of people who use literal Nazi tactics to try and reframe conservative people as “threats to society” should not be tolerated
MosskeepForest t1_ja2yzxw wrote
>Groups of people who use literal Nazi tactics to try and reframe conservative people as “threats to society” should not be tolerated
Haha, no have no idea what you are talking about. The Nazi never attacked conservatives...THE NAZI WERE CONSERVATIVES.
They did THE EXACT SAME THING are you horrible people are attempting to do, attacking the LGBT community and trying to reframe them as "threats to children". Then they gave them pink stars "for everyones safety"...and then started murdering them.
You fucking fascists are EXACTLY like the Nazi. Your stupid game of trying to reframe calling that out as "what the nazi would do" is laughable.
freetheroux t1_ja2z9h5 wrote
Calm down bro, I would not want you around my children
MosskeepForest t1_ja2zo1h wrote
Yea, I would imagine you wouldn't. It would be very troublesome to have a moral person around while you groom them for whatever sick things you have planned.
Maybe you will have them wear one of those "purity rings" or start going with them to prom to have them sit on your lap? Wasn't that a big thing you perverted nutjobs were doing a bit ago? Haha. Funny how that never shows up on fox news.... never any ACTUAL threats to children. You all just attack minorities while snickering and jerking it to the most perverted stuff online or drooling over children shows on Nickelodeon.
That's the other thing about you fascists, you are complete pervs when it comes to children. Rampant abuse is common.... and you lack ANY sense of morality.
Again, your type of people should be in jail. It's crazy we let creatures like you walk free poisoning our society and playing your sick perverted games.
freetheroux t1_ja304nd wrote
Omg I raised them the exact same way they would’ve been raised 2 decades ago, ABUSE!!! How dare I teach them there’s no need to take hormones or cut off their pp’s to be who they want to be. I am such a horrible person for wanting my kids to be comfortable in their own bodies.
MosskeepForest t1_ja315bh wrote
>Omg I raised them the exact same way they would’ve been raised 2 decades ago, ABUSE!!!
Yes, things like hitting your children is now known as abuse. It's further proof of your lack of morals and your threat to children that you think that is a ridiculous thing....
I really hope you don't have children. And if you do, I hope someone is checking on them to make sure you aren't "raising them like the good ol days".
>How dare I teach them there’s no need to take hormones or cut off their pp’s to be who they want to be. I am such a horrible person for wanting my kids to be comfortable in their own bodies.
It's so sad you religious nutjobs think it's new or daring to deny people medical care and ignore doctors and experts on health issues. It's nothing new, you people often kill your family doing that sort of thing (and when given the chance, will try to kill other people also... which is why it's SOOO important not to let you nutjobs get that chance to spread. Then you start making laws to deny blood transfusions or surgeries or cancer treatments or trans care. THIS IS NOT A NEW PHENOMENON, THAT IS WHY YOU ARE DANGEROUS).
Yes, if they were trans and you did that... you would risk pushing them to suicide. Trans people have a very high statistic in suicide from bigots like you bullying them and trying to deny them medical care. ((Which is evident because once they are removed from toxic environments and given medical care, their rates of suicide drop to normal statistical levels).
But, OF COURSE, you don't care about that. You probably read that last paragraph with a grin imagining a trans person killing themselves from your fascist agenda. THAT IS THE POINT.
It's no secret you want to kill trans people, and if you can deny them medical care and bully and harass them to killing themselves? That's a huge win in your fucked up book!!
Like I said, you are a threat to society. I really really hope you don't have kids. In a normal society the things you have said would have them taken away to a safer environment.
freetheroux t1_ja361is wrote
It’s funny you think spanking kids was acceptable 20 years ago, what are you 15? It’s also funny you think I’m religious. I’m actually an evolutionary biologist so your assumption couldn’t have been more wrong.
So if my kid is trans I either have to deal with them having a higher rate of suicide or them having a normal rate of suicide? Hmm well that settles it for me, I’ll just teach them it’s not possible to be trans so that way they’ll stay within the normal rate for suicide.
I have no problem with trans people, I’ve been watching Blaire White on yt for years way before she became political. I have a problem with people saying it’s ok for kids to be on hormones/hormone blockers and that it’s okay for kids to have top/bottom surgery. If a boy wants to wear a dress I don’t care, if he wants to play with Barbie’s that’s fine. If he wants to go by she that’s acceptable. But if a boy wants to mutilate himself, no that’s not okay
MosskeepForest t1_ja3f2zd wrote
>I’ll just teach them it’s not possible to be trans so that way they’ll stay within the normal rate for suicide.
You sound just like a fundamental christian that has decided they will "just teach their kids not to be gay".
You say you are an evolutionary biologist? LOL, I HIGHLY doubt you have much past a highschool education. You are sitting here trying to deny science and reality and medical consensus and medical treatment like some backwoods hillbilly. "Aint no kids gonna be no transosexuals on mah watch!!!" lol
>I have a problem with people saying it’s ok for kids to be on hormones/hormone blockers and that it’s okay for kids to have top/bottom surgery.
Oh? You imagine yourself some hero trying to stop children from having proper medical treatment? No, that makes you a dangerous psychopath.
You are KNOWINGLY trying to kill children out of some political agenda. A fascist that wants to use the state to step between medical professionals and a childs medical care.... what you are trying to do should be criminal.
You want to stick your head in the sand and deny the entire medical field and study and best practices for care of trans people out of some insane political agenda.
You are some random shlub that read a few fox news articles and now thinks you are an expert on trans care, more so than the entire field of medicine around the world.
And you are too simple to have even a shred of self awareness to realize how ridiculous a stance that is.
freetheroux t1_ja3nor7 wrote
It’s crazy how many assumptions you’re making and wrong assumptions at that. If you stopped being so blinded by hate you’d see that I’m in no way against trans people.
It’s not possible to be a woman if you are born a man, you can look like a woman and talk like a woman and act like a woman but you will never fully be a woman. On the other hand anyone can be gay. According to science males are males through and through, from our bones, to our faces, to our genitals. In order to fully be a woman you’d have to change all of that and it’s just not possible. However, if you just want to be called a woman that’s totally possible, I have no problem respecting what someone wants to be called
No, there is not a consensus that kids must be provided gender affirming “care”. There’s not even a consensus that the earth is round, so it’s crazy you think there is a consensus around something with a lot less data and research. The reality is there are SOME doctors that believe it’s acceptable for a kids to undergo these treatments.
How is saying “kids should be comfortable in their own bodies” tryin to kill them lol? Sounds like your the one putting the idea in their brain that if they don’t transition they can commit suicide. Sounds like you’re the dangerous one, suggesting kids kill themselves if they don’t switch genders.
MosskeepForest t1_ja3pycq wrote
>you’d see that I’m in no way against trans people.
You want to go against modern medical consensus and deny trans people basic medical care.... all because of some deranged political agenda.
Essentially you want to murder children by denying them medical care because you don't think trans people should exist.
And in your twisted mind you have convinced yourself that you "are in no way against trans people". Lol, what a joke.
>No, there is not a consensus that kids must be provided gender affirming “care”. There’s not even a consensus that the earth is round,
There is medical consensus. There is also scientific consensus that the earth is round.
Pretending "there is no consensus" because of a few extremist outliers is ridiculous. That isn't the definition of consensus.
>How is saying “kids should be comfortable in their own bodies” tryin to kill them lol?
Oh? Do you also want to teach young boys they shouldn't go to the gym to get more fit?
Or is changing your body to fit an ideal only bad if trans people do it?
You are really deranged enough to believe you have "figured out the answer to trans treatment".... and that it's just a matter of body positivity? LOL, fucking hell, what a lunatic you are.
Dude, you need to call the medical boards that determine best practices for trans treatment!!! Tell them you have discovered the answer!! All it took you was a few minutes of randomly pulling bullshit out of your ass!! REVOLUTIONARY!! hahaha
>Sounds like your the one putting the idea in their brain that if they don’t transition they can commit suicide.
You are a joke. You belong in the circus with such mental gymnastics haha. You can't even come up with coherent rational arguments..... this is really the best you have? hahahaha, how pathetic.
freetheroux t1_ja3vubf wrote
“Deranged political agenda” ma’am I am a Liberal, this has nothing to do with politics.
“Do you also want to teach young boys they shouldn’t go to the gym to get more fit” the difference is gaining muscle is reversible, if you decide you no longer want to be skinny you can be fat again, no biggie. However if you cut off your pp or your boobies there’s really no going back.
The reason I am so against children permanently changing their bodies is because I’ve had plastic surgery at a young age and I know the effects it can have on a child and later on in life. It can take years to mentally recover from having a surgery that you yourself agreed to. There’s been a growing group within the trans community of people that are saying it’s okay to keep your pp and still identify as a woman, that having bottom surgery comes with complications that might now be worth it. Are those trans people causing harm?
MosskeepForest t1_ja45vhp wrote
> I am a Liberal, this has nothing to do with politics.
Call yourself whatever you want. You are trying to deny kids medical care... lol. If you think that is "liberal", you are delusional.
> the difference is gaining muscle is reversible
So you want to ban school sports? High school athletics account for over 2 MILLION INJURIES a year to children. 500,000 doctor visits. And over 30,000 HOSPITALIZATIONS.
Kids are being KILLED by doing school sports.
And yet you ignore all of that, all of those CHOICES.... and you focus on the most fringe group imaginable? Trans people??
It has NOTHING to do with protecting kids. In fact for these trans kids specifically, you want to deny them healthcare and do more harm.
Only about 3% of trans youth detransition. So you are focusing on the extreme minority in order to deny 97% of trans kids care? That's like saying we shouldn't perform heart surgeries to save people because the morality rate is about 3-4% (and, again, with trans care it isn't death we are speaking of.... typically they are hormone blockers which are largely reversible. Though ideologs like yourself will point to a very minor side effect as some sort of red line that can't be crossed lol).
> There’s been a growing group within the trans community of people that are saying it’s okay to keep your pp and still identify as a woman,
Why are you so focused on childrens dicks? What the fuck is wrong with you??? Most trans people don't have bottom surgery, and kids especially aren't running out to get that done.
In total, for all trans people, bottom surgery is about 5-13%....
Like I said, you are a complete perverted psychopath. You focus on a minor optional part of trans care and try to pretend that represents the entirety of trans care?
> It can take years to mentally recover from having a surgery that you yourself agreed to.
And where are you fighting against non-trans people getting nose jobs or other plastic surgery? Oh? No? Nothing about that?
Again, you are SOLELY focused on trans people and their medical care....while ignoring the exact same thing (hormone treatments, surgeries) in non-trans people (including children).
You are so blinded by hate for trans people you exclusively think you need to stop their medical care.... and yet you have no knowledge of the subject (or even care to learn more of the subject). The only thing you do is keep repeating how you must kill trans children by denying them care.... and you want to use the state to do it.
You are a fucking fascist. A delusional little nothing that spends your free time attacking the healthcare of people. What an absolute joke.
freetheroux t1_ja49xp9 wrote
I’m not calling you names, I don’t understand why you’re calling me names. I honestly don’t see why my point of view is a bad point of view.
- I fight against any kind of cosmetic surgery for children
- I am also against most sports, again you are assuming so many things about me.
- Trans kids are not the most fringe, go to your nearest Umaine campus and you’ll see that trans people make up a large majority of the student body. (I say to visit a college and not a middle school, cause u don’t want to look like a creep)
- I honestly think setting kids on the path to sterilize them, or cut off their genitals in hopes they can feel more themselves, is more harmful than saying they are already themselves and teaching them how to be confident in their own bodies. And before you say anything I’m against body mods of all kinds, piercings and tattoos included. I don’t care if adults do them but I don’t think children are able to fully understand and consent to making permanent changes to their bodies
MosskeepForest t1_ja4ew19 wrote
>I don’t understand why you’re calling me names.
Because you are a monster that wants to deny children healthcare, knowing it will kill them??
Like, you literally want to murder children.... and you can't figure out why people might not like that?? lol, what's wrong with you?
Seriously, what ...is....wrong...with....you? Do you stand outside of childrens hospitals screaming at the doctors to not give the kids chemo also? "IT'S PERMANENT YOU KNOW!!! IT'S PERMANENT!!~!!!!!!!"
Haha, your stance is just completely insane. But because you watch fox news, you think it's a reasonable position to have. To just randomly decide YOU are the expert in a random area of child care / medicine and demand kids stop receiving care. All from some batshit crazy political agenda to attack minorities.
"BUT THE CHILDRENS PENISES!! WE HAVE TO SAVE THEIR PENISES!!" Can you even hear yourself? You are OBSESSED.... even after being told that type of surgery is very rare (even in adults). But, again, you've read a couple headlines on fox news....so YOU ARE THE EXPERT NOW? Fucking ridiculous.
freetheroux t1_ja54svu wrote
I don’t even watch or read Fox News, there you go again with your assumptions
OddClass134 t1_j9ymqoe wrote
What is "disturbing" about what occurred? A teacher shared a social media username, a couple of those videos showed the teacher posing in a sexy-but-not-pornographic way, the school let her go. That's not disturbing.
People get fired all the time for posting things they didn't realize they should have, mixing up accounts and accidentally liking porn, etc. 99% of the time it's an accident.
This article and others imply it was intentional because they have a political agenda-- to make trans women look like sexual predators going after kids. The implication is that for this case it was no accident, this was intentional predation!! But there's no evidence of that and it's really, really unlikely to be true.
HerrAdventure t1_j9yrjy5 wrote
I agree, it's a hit piece that skirts the details of the matter to promote an agenda that appeases the user base. The disturbing nature I see regardless of sexual identity is when teachers have their personal lives involved with students that fall outside the window of appropriate and professional topics. Accident or not, it's not suitable for young minds to be involved with. Overall social media has been a downfall for many individuals and that's a broad topic in itself and for a different discussion.
In this specific case, it's a no-tolerance reaction by the school. The other road that could have been taken would be to keep the teacher employed with the community knowing that this individual may or may not have done this intentionally and is still working at the school. The former is a better approach to keeping an even keel and peace of mind that any sexual nature within the confines of teachers and students, whether it be physical or social, won't happen. And if it does, the route to be taken will mimic this.
In regards to what the article promotes in the agenda of Fox News, it's not wholesome and true to the extent of the full story. It's only bits and pieces and omitting other details that are not aligning with what they want to sell as fear to attract their users for more.
My advice is to delete social media, turn off MSM, and live a life that represents an individual's pursuit of happiness without causing harm in the process.
OddClass134 t1_j9yx2bm wrote
>The disturbing nature I see regardless of sexual identity is when teachers have their personal lives involved with students that fall outside the window of appropriate and professional topics.
I'm sorry but I disagree. Just because something is personal does not make it inappropriate.
There is a line of course, but teachers should connect with their students as community members, not cold and harsh authority figures. That was that kind of schooling we had in the 18th and early 19th century-- cruel headmasters and unsympathetic teachers and nuns slapping everyone's wrists. Not an ideal learning environment.
Should we now require all teachers to avoid disclosing their relationship status? Keep their families a secret? Hide their disabilities, never speak of their personal hobbies, never ever *ever" bring up what they did over the weekend?
Or is it only "inappropriate" when gay teachers do it?
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