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siebzy t1_j7s70d6 wrote

I don't say this very often, but go the fuck home you gaping asshole.

Edit: Gaping Bigoted Asshole. Leave.

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[deleted] OP t1_j7s7ybe wrote

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sinspirational t1_j7s9972 wrote

If you really gave a shit about food and not being a huge asshole you’d educate yourself.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1749975516668709?journalCode=cusa

https://ny.eater.com/2019/1/18/18183973/authenticity-yelp-reviews-white-supremacy-trap

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child_of_air t1_j7sagxo wrote

This is bullshit. If you've actually been to that country, then you have a point of reference. I've been to Japan, thanks.

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sinspirational t1_j7savor wrote

So have I and somehow I still know that ‘being touched by someone Japanese’ is not a requirement for authentic food, even if it wasn’t a super problematic concept in the first place.

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child_of_air t1_j7sctqb wrote

It was never a promlematic concept. Guess what? People of different ethnic backgrounds don't go to restaurants where their own food is made by white people, or any other group, if they can actually help it. That's just a fucking fact.

Go to any big city and if you want to know if the food is good- it means that people of the same ethnic background of the food being served will be eating there. And you know, it goes both ways. I didn't like eating "Pizza" when I was in Korea, either.

Also, for the record, if I was really close minded I would have walked out of those places as soon as I got a look at at them. But I'll give anyone a chance. The problem is, they very rarely get it right.

Get over yourself.

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sinspirational t1_j7sdwx0 wrote

>Get over yourself.

You first dude!

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child_of_air t1_j7se7e9 wrote

I guesss you can't argue any of the points I made, huh? It's okay.

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sinspirational t1_j7sejfj wrote

Of course I can but if you really were willing to engage in good faith you wouldn’t have deleted your post as soon as you got called out. Life is too short to feed trolls from CA

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child_of_air t1_j7sfl0i wrote

There's not much point if people start calling me names. What can you say when you have that kind of ugly leveled at you? I know that Mainers hate everyone "from away" so of course they are going to hate the fact that I said something negative about their state, regardless of whether or not it's true.

This forum in particular is very popular for pretending that Maine isn't without it's troubles. I've even heard someone defend the lack of ethnic diversity by saying that if more people of color come in, crime rates will go up! I mean, the racism is ugly and blatant.

There's nothing more that Mainers hate more than change. You're mostly a bunch of very kind and nice people, but stubborn as all fuck. You resist change as if it's 1950, and it's the most absurd thing I've ever seen.

Once more people of color actually start opening restaurants, then more locals will know what authentic ethnic food tastes like. I seriously look forward to that day, because all the white folks will have to start getting more creative and less bland.

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[deleted] OP t1_j7s8d7i wrote

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Guygan t1_j7s9ys7 wrote

> so I’m bigoted because I don’t want my sushi to be made by white people?

Holy fucking shit this has got to be parody.

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anode_cathode t1_j7s7ycg wrote

LOL. Is this for real? If you behave like this in public, I can hazard a guess at why you have a bad time at restaurants.

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child_of_air t1_j7s8411 wrote

Behave like what exactly? Are you getting offended because I want authentic food? Seriously?!

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siebzy t1_j7s8ark wrote

You're a snobby essentialist asshole and we don't like that around here

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child_of_air t1_j7s8vvu wrote

Oh, yes! Here's a translation:

We know that most of our food isn't authentic, but we don't care because the lack of ethnic diversity in Maine is embarassing! Don't mention it, it's a sore subject!!!

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siebzy t1_j7s9sz8 wrote

Maine is a very white state. That is not an inherently good or bad thing - it just is.

A quick Google search before moving cross country might have told you that, if it was going to be a problem for you, as it clearly is.

"Only Mexicans can make tacos" is racist, full stop. Enough. You're digging a hole.

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anode_cathode t1_j7s9jiq wrote

I'm not offended, I just don't think this is a particularly effective way to ask this question. Anyway, good luck finding what you seek!

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sinspirational t1_j7s8nmq wrote

Damn that is a super racist, terrible take.

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child_of_air t1_j7s96xf wrote

It's not racist. In fact, I think a bunch of white people trying to make ethnic food is cultural appropriation, espeically when they haven't been to that particular country. That's racism. When you try to pass shit off as your own but you've never been outside of Maine.

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ShroomFoot t1_j7uiue7 wrote

You know what is racism? Using a person's ethnicity to decide what they can and cannot do. That's racism. Like, it is literally the definition (albeit paraphrased) of racism.

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child_of_air t1_j7w0oyi wrote

I never said they can't do it. I said they don't do it well.

People of color agree with me - this includes all of my friends, family and aquaintances. Koreans for example, aren't going to go to a "Korean" restaurant run by Jake and Sam, who haven't even ever been to Korea. Nope. They will laugh and go someplace that is run by Koreans, because they want to taste a little bit of home.

Food is culture. If you don't understand the culture making the food, chances are you aren't going to get that food right. This has nothing to do with racism, and you're an idiot for thinking that it does.

White people and others telling themselves that they can serve up anything they want and do anything they want is all well and good. It's a free country and you can serve almost anything. But don't expect someone from that actual country to eat there, because they probably won't.

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ShroomFoot t1_j7wafue wrote

The fact that you call me an idiot for your racist words is mildly funny. Go on, keep telling me how stating that an ethnicity can't do something well solely based on their ethnic make up isn't racist. I'll pop some popcorn, because it will be entertaining to see how you try to justify it.

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child_of_air t1_j7wzoqn wrote

Clearly you have some terrible reading comprehension skills. Again:

>I never said they can't do it. I said they don't do it well

What part of this don't you understand exactly? It's pretty fucking clear, pal.

Also, racism against white people isn't a thing. You can pretend that it is, but it's not.

https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

Also, see: https://www.issuesonline.co.uk/articles/can-white-people-experience-racism

If you think that I'm wrong, you're probably the racist. But you know, this being Maine and all..... I can't say I'd be surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.

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ShroomFoot t1_j7x5xiv wrote

When you use someone's ethnic make up as your reasoning for saying they can/cannot do something (whether you add "well" into it or not) you are being bigoted. Caucasian people are in fact an ethnic group, so yes, racism against Caucasian people does exist.

Make all the assumptions you please, you're using racist arguments to support your claim. You're acting as if no Caucasian person is capable of learning how to cook food of another culture, not every Caucasian cooks like Jamie Oliver you know.

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child_of_air t1_j7x9ajm wrote

Ah ha! Your white fragility is totally showing! CAUCASION PEOPLE ARE NOT AN ETHNIC GROUP. You are confusing "race", which is an unscientific label, with ethnicity. CAUCASION PEOPLE ARE MADE UP OF MULITPLE ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS. Do I really have to fucking explain this?!?

One more time, obviously you need to work on your reading comprehension skills, or lack thereof:

>I said they don't do it well

Operative word being "don't." You need to go back to college, or maybe even high school.

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ShroomFoot t1_j7xk27l wrote

Typical bigot. You've made so many assumptions based on your bigoted view of Maine, it is pathetic. You're singling people out based not upon their skill, but how they look. You're just the typical bottom of the barrel bigot. Unfortunately there are several billion people like you.

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Guygan t1_j7s95or wrote

I feel like we’re all present at the birth of a new Reddit copypasta

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weakenedstrain t1_j7s919p wrote

The best takoyaki and udon I’ve had was just outside Tsukiji in Tokyo. Followed by the little inn during cherry blossom festival in Kakunodate.

In NYC go to East 9th street and there’s a little standing room only joint where they make the takoyaki fresh in front of you and the bonito flakes just curl and dance until you eat ‘em!

In Portland, I’ve found that there’s really only one place to go to get anything approaching a decent takoyaki and slurpable udon broth.

And fuck me if I’ll tell you where, I’d rather you go look in NYC.

Or further.

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child_of_air t1_j7s9fxx wrote

Haha, so funny. You're the asshole.

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weakenedstrain t1_j7v1pff wrote

I’m a pretty well-known asshole around here.

In all honesty, your post was pretty cringe and insulting. There are lots of ways to ask for help without resorting to racial profiling and demeaning your adopted regions local flavor.

There’s plenty of bad food out there, but a simple “Hey, looking for authentic Japanese street food, I’ve been having a hard time finding some” will go much further than denigrating the local options you have tried.

Good luck out there.

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child_of_air t1_j7vzlr9 wrote

How is it insulting, actually? Insulting to white people that are trying to make sushi and open up an "ethnic" restaurant? Are you next going to tell me I'm being racist against white people? (That doesn't exist by the way.)

You know, I'll try anything once. I have eaten at quite a few establishments that were run by people of a different ethnic background other than the food they were serving. I paid my money, I ate my food. I wouldn't have an issue with them if they made it right. But they don't.

If you disagree with me, you would be writing about how awesome Maine's ethnic food scene is, but you're not. I think I just touched on a nerve because Mainers are sensitive to the fact that the lack of Ethnic diversity here makes it a very bland place in a lot of ways. The food scene is just once of them. You can bury your head in the snow and pretend that it's not an issue, but it totally is. The fact that everyone got offended at my post obviously touches on that.

>In Portland, I’ve found that there’s really only one place to go to get anything approaching a decent takoyaki and slurpable udon broth.

So it's just the one then, right? LOL, I'm sure I've already found it.

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>your adopted regions local flavor.

What flavor?!? That bland flavor?! Is that what you're talking about? Is that the taste of Maine?

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weakenedstrain t1_j7werog wrote

Oof dude. I tried.

You just said a whole lot of words to justify your douchebaggery. If you’re dead set on alienating your neighbors, I wish you nothing but good luck with that.

You’re off to a great start.

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child_of_air t1_j7wrwqf wrote

My neighbors and I get along just fine. In fact, they are wonderful people and we all hang out together. I love the way you totally ignored everything I said, which makes you an asshole.

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weakenedstrain t1_j7x0z57 wrote

Already claimed my asshole status. I ignored what you said because despite apparently thinking it makes you sound worldly and enlightened, your takes on race and community are so far outside my own perspective that I really don’t have much to say about it.

I’m glad your neighbors like you. I’m glad you have joy in your life. You’re pretty miserable in an online anonymous forum, and if your friends saw the things you were saying they might want to have a chat, but dafuck does THIS asshole know?

I do know that I offered an olive branch, multiple times, and you took each as an opportunity to shit all over them, this state, this sub, and anything else you see as not worthy.

If you meet an asshole in the morning, fuck that asshole. If you meet assholes all day, chances are it’s not them.

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child_of_air t1_j7xcjzr wrote

I consider white people that have high fragility and a victim mentality to be assholes. A certain type of asshole. Luckily for me, most of my neighbors have all traveled the world, and they know what Maine does and does not have to offer. We talk about it all the time actually. The majority of them are Mainers themselves, and will readily admit that there are very few good restaurants in the state that serve ethnic food. So far I've found 2. Obviously we all live in the same area, and Maine is a big place. But I haven't seen or heard that Northern Maine is bursting with intensely good restaurants either. I haven't heard many positive things about Northern Maine at all....but I remain open to it.

If someone from Maine "shits all over" the state, is it different than if I do it? I'm sure you will say yes since I'm from "away....", lol.

And really, that's what people responded to here. They are getting themselves worked up because they don't like the idea of being told that in fact, no- white people can't do everything well. Especially when they don't take the time to learn about other cultures and ethnicities before trying to do it.

You and I both know that what passes for sushi here wouldn't meet the bar in a big city, or in Japan. You pretty much admitted that.

Food is culture. If you don't know shit about the culture you are trying emulate in your food, then chances are you are going to fail. Again, I'm totally willing to be proven wrong. I've willingly gone to restaurants that said they served up "Authentic" Korean dishes when there wasn't a single Korean face anywhere to be seen. I've walked into "Japanese" places where there wasn't a single Japanese face to be seen. And the fact that I did that speaks volumes, because I supported them. I gave them a chance to wow me, and they totally didn't.

I have been proven wrong in some places. I actually went to Boston and ate wonderful Japanese food mostly run by Chinese people. But the guy had lived in Japan for over 20 years, so he knew his shit. I actually am very happy when I see this kind of thing, because to respect a culture is to know it!

I love what Maine does have to offer. It was not my first choice but I'm actually enjoying it most of the time. But you Mainers need to honest here- Ethnic food is not your strong point. You need more people of color to really do that right, and that's something you simply don't have.

Thanks for the olive branch. I'm actually a very kind person, I just get sick of the lack of cultural diversity here and then the denial that there needs to be any, and the racism that shows when there is.

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hedgehogrecruiter t1_j7s859u wrote

Learn to cook? Make your own?

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child_of_air t1_j7s8kr3 wrote

Lack of Asian markets make it difficult, actually. There isn't a proper Japanese market here.

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hedgehogrecruiter t1_j7s93g2 wrote

There is a new invention. I believe it's called the In-ter-net that allows you to order things from all over the world! And most fresh ingredients are available locally.

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david_lo-pan t1_j7s9e3p wrote

As someone who has lived in multiple big cities with reputations for outstanding food I assure you that you are the problem.

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Stunning_Ambition_16 t1_j7sa063 wrote

You moved from California to Maine with the expectation that it was the same because we both have coasts? You’re smart enough to figure out why you can’t get “authentic” food like back in cali. Mac Donald’s had that level of consistency, if that’s your expectation.

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