LilYoungJedi t1_j21yzuw wrote on December 29, 2022 at 1:52 AM

Reply to comment by acister in Please drive SLOW in the snow by WhaleDinosaurDog

sure, just let me know when 'The rest of everyone' is willing to pay for those nice snow tires and I'll get right on it

acister t1_j220rfe wrote on December 29, 2022 at 2:05 AM

Yeah it sucks, I used my winter tires in summer because I'm broke. Cars suck and are expensive but winter here is real. There's a threshold with vehicles where they are dangerous for everyone else if you don't have things it needs (brakes, lights, easy examples). Cars are just expensive to have. I'm not a fan and wish we had a less car centric society but uhh I'm not trying to die right now. There's a certain responsibility with driving to keep others safe.

LilYoungJedi t1_j22232e wrote on December 29, 2022 at 2:15 AM

Surprise, but poverty is also real. People can only do what they can afford to do and survive. Almost like it's a factor that impacts all of society. A great argument for making the wealthy contribute their fair share. If you don't care and won't do it for others, at least hold them accountable for your own sake. If you are forced to choose between upgrading your snow tires and feeding your family for the week, what would you do?

acister t1_j222si8 wrote on December 29, 2022 at 2:20 AM

I live under the poverty line. I had my winter tires on all summer like I said. If your vehicle isn't safe that does suck, and I have not been able to afford basics this year as well. Money sucks but you don't get a pass killing people. I'm not even saying its a moral issue either, I get it if you can't afford them and drive but yeah I'm saying generally I care and if possible make it a priority. Get chains if you can't afford them for adverse weather. This was common place before snow tires were popular. Not sure why you're arguing about snow tires making a northern climate safer.

Shambud t1_j249qiq wrote on December 29, 2022 at 3:38 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a normal car with chains in Maine, I don’t know that they’re even legal.

acister t1_j25tazb wrote on December 29, 2022 at 9:38 PM

They're legal in the same time range studded tires are legal. They're not used much anymore (they are in mountain regions of the US and required at times to pass ranges) because of snow tires getting better the past 30 years.

LilYoungJedi t1_j224yz3 wrote on December 29, 2022 at 2:37 AM

cool, so we agree. if possible, it should be a priority. While you may verbally well be under the 'poverty line', you may not realize just how far under others are. The point is, hurting other people is not human nature, especially when it's those you care about and yourself. Any reasonable person would get the best snow tires they can afford while the rest, by nature, cannot be reasoned with. Best to worry about what you can do for others, not what they can do for you. People do the best they can. At least until they have enough money to ignore the problems they cause for everyone else, apparently. You're argument isn't wrong but you are aiming it in the wrong direction.

WalkerBRiley t1_j23w9ru wrote on December 29, 2022 at 1:57 PM

You let me store them at your place for the ten months out of the year I don't need em and maybe we can talk about it.

Or I can continue being a careful driver with all seasons in the snow and watch the people who think snow tires gives them the ability to travel 70 mph in blizzard conditions fishtail off into a ditch.