Antnee83 t1_j1vgdhw wrote
Reply to comment by MaineJackalope in Large deposit of rare elements and minerals discovered in northern Maine by CptnAlex
Made from locally-sourced, totally environmentally friendly materials, I'm sure.
There is not a thing in your house with a microchip in it that doesn't have raw materials sourced from one of these mines. You thinking you're being cute about the brand doesn't change the calculus that you're still NIMBYing your problems onto other human beings.
MaineJackalope t1_j1vic0i wrote
My point is more that I'm holding onto shit for a long time, I actively minimize my e-waste, including repairing my own electronics whenever is possible. The phone I had before this one I kept for 5 years and did a battery replacement on myself, I use computer monitors that were originally bound for an e-waste center. My TV was a broken find that I managed to replace the power supply in and now it works a charm.
Because yes tech stuff eats up rare earth metals like nobody's business, and it's hard to go without them in this day and age, but my reducing my e-waste I'm also reducing my demand for more, doing a small part to make running environmentally and often ethically dangerous mines in less demand also.
I'm all for putting renewable energy production and other infrastructure projects around if it benefits the local population, but Mainers would not see the wealth of the mines and still deal with the inevitable environmental impact of them.
indyaj t1_j1vj5ku wrote
When it comes to mining, NIMBYism is the best option. These minerals are obviously available elsewhere because we're using them in said phones and other devices. So recycle them to make more. Or figure out different materials for the same purpose. There is no reason to fuck up Maine on multiple levels with mining.
All mining in the US operates under the Mining Act of 1872. Despite several efforts to update it, it stands. If you want to live in a state that operates under those conditions, move out west. There are a lot of opportunities for you.
The only reason to mine here is because some assholes from away want to make shitloads of money then declare bankruptcy and leave us with a bazillion dollar clean up. It's part of the business plan. If you don't believe me, look at every spent and then abandoned mine out west. The cost is not worth it using any calculator.
respaaaaaj t1_j1wmh66 wrote
The reason to mine it here is the other places are South America China and Africa, where that same industries has far more power far less oversight and can get away with shit like slave labor child labor and buying it from terrorists and warlords who use child soldiers and weaponized rape
Antnee83 t1_j1vjpmm wrote
> When it comes to mining, NIMBYism is the best option.
"trust me bro, it's really important to my lifestyle that your water is poisoned."
Cracks me up that you can type all that and think it's a good point.
indyaj t1_j1vjsph wrote
Did you not read the rest of the post? Give it a go.
Antnee83 t1_j1vjxdv wrote
Sure.
Me: Where we gonna set up the e-waste recycling?
You: Somewhere else.
that's how the rest of this convo goes, sorry to spoil it.
indyaj t1_j1vkn6x wrote
I didn't call it "e-waste". You did. I said figure out how to recycle it. Nothing about disposing of it, which already is a problem.
Maine isn't the only place that uses phones and microchips. This is a global problem. Why do you think Maine is a good place to aggravate the problem by allowing rich fucks to get richer by destroying our natural resources and then leave us with the clean up?
Antnee83 t1_j1vlbtu wrote
e-waste is the common nomanclature for all of it. Being pedantic is goofy.
You're right this is a global problem. So what are you doing to solve the global problem besides whining that you shouldn't have to shoulder any of the burden of the industry you clearly enjoy the fruits of?
This is not a new conversation, and you have no reasonable rebuttal to it. NIMBYism sucks no matter how many coats of sugar you shellack it with.
indyaj t1_j1vly87 wrote
How are you going to benefit from mining these minerals? Fess up. Full disclosure.
Antnee83 t1_j1vm8zq wrote
Yes, I'm a mining industry shill. I got 75 cents for making this comment. Good stuff.
I see that we've reached the end of any useful discussion, so y'all can jerk yourselves raw in peace.
indyaj t1_j1vmr4z wrote
No answer to why you're advocating for the mining industry? Then shut the fuck up. You have no idea what it can do to the environment and economy of an area. Sit this one out.
respaaaaaj t1_j1wnqso wrote
Yeah let Africans and South Americans take their fair share of environmental and economic consequences!
respaaaaaj t1_j1wnjtf wrote
Don't you see, he has a three year old phone, he's sacrificed enough, that 10 year old child soldier has to do his fair share!
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