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LifeInTheCarpoolLane t1_iu2h4xg wrote

If question D passes, service workers in Portland would make a base $15 an hour, and that would gradually increase to $18 by 2025. Were that the case, I would probably start tipping 15%, as opposed to the 20% I tip now.

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eljefino t1_iu47yjt wrote

That's probably how I'd do it-- I bias towards a higher percentage on lower tabs. Since my bill will presumably be higher to cover these costs I'd tip a lower percentage (but still decent dollar amount.)

A waiter at Dimillo's doesn't work 3x as hard as one at IHOP.

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800grandave t1_iu3pfxf wrote

i don’t necessarily disagree with your point. i bartend. the only people that would share your viewpoint, would be tourists, strangers, non regulars (imo/experience)

i dont make a living off randos, i make money off people who feel that theyre welcome/safe/whatever that i also see multiple times a week. this pay raise will not alter how they view or value me.

i feel the 15 an hour is only remarkable as a step forward for actually valuing those that do “worthless, why dont you get a real job kinda shit”

im also worried for the small business owner. wheres the line of “oh what will the owner do with rising payroll” as opposed to “can i have something to show on taxes”

theres no fun way outta this. tipping culture is trash, yet i rely on it. if youre a hard-stance “im not tipping anymore….Cuz the principle kinda guy” then fuck you too.

i dunno what im saying, work bled into life and i took 87 shots. weeeeeeeeee

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LifeInTheCarpoolLane t1_iu4ers3 wrote

I get it. I hate tipping culture and think it's dumb as hell. I've always tipped 20% regardless of the service I receive because I know service workers rely, almost solely, on tips to pay the bills. It's not my place to take food off someone's plate because maybe they were having an off day at work.

I'm with you on the concerns to small business's as well. A sudden change from paying your full time staff $31,000 a year, where they were previously making $5500, isn't the type of overnight accounting change that's gonna land a soft blow. I don't know what the actual solve is to be honest. I wish I understood the service industry a little better to get why restaurants and bars outside the US don't have this problem.

I guess I'm also rambling now. Here's a question though, and something I think about often. Why don't all restaurants, bars, etc just add a mandatory 18% gratuity to every bill? It's not a perfect solution, but it guarantees as long as there's business the staff is getting their cut. It would also circumvent the pieces of shit who think they have some moral high ground not to pay someone for their labor because their arbitrary bar for "good service" wasn't met.

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siebzy t1_iu31exo wrote

If you go over to Falmouth, will you ask the servers to make sure they are making less than $18/hr before you decide how much to tip?

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kubabooba OP t1_iu35zcq wrote

The question specifically asks about Portland question D

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siebzy t1_iu3ymdl wrote

You are unbelievably dense

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LifeInTheCarpoolLane t1_iu4cxfl wrote

No, I would be aware of my geographical location and tip 20% as per usual, knowing that service workers in Falmouth don't make Portland minimum wage.

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siebzy t1_iu4ew62 wrote

Do you know that, or do you just assume that? Dumbass.

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LifeInTheCarpoolLane t1_iu4fdyp wrote

Yea, I do know that. I'm usually pretty aware of what town I'm currently in. And I'm also quite positive wages in Falmouth aren't effected by the Portland minimum wage. Again, on account of those being two different municipalities.

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siebzy t1_iu4lhn6 wrote

Yes but how do you know what the hourly wage of a given server in a given restaurant is. Maybe they get more than the minimum! By your logic, they should be tipped less. But how do you know to make that decision?

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LifeInTheCarpoolLane t1_iu4ntpg wrote

Dude, the entire conversation here is centered on wait staff in Portland based on a referendum on the Portland ballot. The only thing I've said is if it passes, and thus I know service workers are making Portland minimum wage, I would tip 5% less in Portland. In all other scenarios, such as establishments outside of Portland, I would assume the workers did not make minimum wage and tip my default 20%.

If I were in another town and happened to know that workers made the equivalent of Portland minimum wage, I would tip as if I were in Portland. I would not interrogate wait staff over their base wages because that's something only a crazy person would suggest. So in this scenario the worst case is I may "accidentally" tip someone making the equivalent of Portland minimum wage 5% more than I usually would.

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siebzy t1_iu4p1x0 wrote

Or you could just tip normally and not be a fucking weirdo about it

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LifeInTheCarpoolLane t1_iu4pt92 wrote

Ok, I'm done trying to engage with you in good faith, you obviously just wanna be toxic. I'm not sure what you're actually upset about, but I don't think it can possibly be a stranger on the internet implying they would tip a little less if they knew a service worker was making a guaranteed $31,000 a year instead of $5500.

You should step away from Reddit for awhile and seriously consider seeing a therapist. This isn't healthy behavior, and if you talk to people like this in real life I can't imagine you have any healthy relationships with real people.

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