SobeysBags OP t1_iujkd7a wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:30 PM

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It's strange, because gun background checks would give people the right to be free of gun violence. It's always about perspective

ServiceMX t1_iujl5wn wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:35 PM

That’s more of a matter of phrasing than a political classification of a freedom. Generally “freedom” would be a more permissive structure for ownership and acquisition of an item, and “order” would be restriction of ownership by erring towards protection of society rather than the freedoms of the individual.

For example, a law that prevents you from saying the word “moist,” does not protect my freedom from getting the heebie-jeebies. Restrictive law enforces order, relaxed law protects freedom, according to the classical paradigm. Neither is objectively good or bad.

By all means, continue advocating for your beliefs. Your efforts may see more success if you’re prepared to accept the political reality on the ground.

SobeysBags OP t1_iujyj9t wrote on October 31, 2022 at 10:12 PM

I would say the USA has some radical thoughts on "freedom", especially when it comes to guns. I take my info from the many indexes presented all over the world. Much more dynamic than the simple bipolar spectrum of what I can have or own without restriction, which Americans have a tendency to over amplify in their political debates. It's a give and take and I don't think simply relaxed laws protect freedom. It's a balance, of which the USA is currently lopsided. This is why the USA ranks quite low on most freedom indexes within the developed world. Anyway, waaaay off topic.

ServiceMX t1_iujzgbp wrote on October 31, 2022 at 10:19 PM

Most Mainers I know are aware that we have a cultural relationship to guns that differs from yours. If you’re in this subreddit to educate us on that, or find a sympathetic ear for your particular views, you might be unsurprised to hear that most of us aren’t really interested.

If you want to change these things, posting on /r/Maine is probably not the best place to begin. If you want to complain about them, likewise. Your original question was answered in good faith.

SobeysBags OP t1_iuk101m wrote on October 31, 2022 at 10:31 PM

I didn't bring up any of the gun laws or rules. That was brought up by yourself. I made no desire to change these things, I was asking about the lack of care or interest in a mass shooting that involved the state. I made no push to educate on the culture of guns from the outset, I made no complaints, and in all honesty got some serious interest and true good faith answers (and not the tongue and cheek absolutism, others provided). Anyway, have a good day. I recommend if you don't want to go down rabbit holes, don't bring up unrelated questions. Focus is a virtue