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Shadow3114 t1_janlrav wrote

If you’re dedicated, self medication is worth it.

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TranscendentPretzel t1_jant4cq wrote

I tried this a couple of years ago. It was hard, especially since spore syringes and spore prints (the only legal way of acquiring mushroom DNA) tend to also be sources of contamination. If you are super depressed, starting a new hobby like this, which requires time, resources, and the ability to stick to a schedule is really difficult. After a few failures due to contamination I gave up. I have had one mushroom experience that did more to help me deal with trauma and CPTSD than any of the hours (and $$$) spent with mental health professionals and on many many anti-depressants. I'd really love to continue that work legally. It sucks that legislators voted against bills to legalize therapeutic psilocybin. While they take their sweet ass time getting comfortable with the idea of a controlled-substance as scientifically proven medicine, people continue to suffer and seek illegal ways to self-medicate, which is bullshit. Sorry about the rant.

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Shadow3114 t1_janumpz wrote

I’m not sure if sterilization has gotten better with spore syringes, but with ~5 mins a day of effort, I’ve gotten more than I can reasonably consume. I do agree though, not sure how these harmless little fungi can be prohibited. It’s a literal plant, with very real mental health benefits.

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TranscendentPretzel t1_janvo3w wrote

I used a pressure canner and made agar dishes and sterilized my substrate. The agar dishes that I didn't inoculate stayed contam free, so I'm pretty certain it was the syringes. But I'm sure it depends on who prepares them. All the cleaning and sterilizing I did before actually doing the 5 minutes/day of work was what was overwhelming for me. To still get contam after that was just too demoralizing. I might try again sometime with commercially-prepared substrate/spawn.

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Littlemuffn t1_janlv7s wrote

I am, I just have little to no knowledge on how to access and dose appropriately.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jao9e4j wrote

Experimenting with club drugs can also be a pretty dumb thing to do if you are struggling with a mental health problem on your own.

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david_lo-pan t1_jappk2w wrote

Never heard anyone call mushrooms a club drug.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jar9d99 wrote

Never been to a rave?

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mw1219 t1_jat1g87 wrote

Who the fuck does shrooms at a rave?

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Littlemuffn t1_jatueew wrote

I went to raves as a teen myself actually and dabbled in a bit. These experiences may have declined my mental health for sure, but it was not notably different from before.

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david_lo-pan t1_jarbyh3 wrote

No, it’s not that. It’s that I have never heard anyone call mushrooms club drugs.

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Shadow3114 t1_jaohzme wrote

When you’re on the brink of suicide, sometimes “club drugs” are the long term savior.

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[deleted] OP t1_jaq1t5g wrote

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-017-4771-x

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[deleted] OP t1_jatvx2f wrote

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[deleted] OP t1_jatx07z wrote

I'm confused, I think we agree. The article I cited supports your opinion.

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Littlemuffn t1_jatx5it wrote

My bad. I’m on mobile and that was not meant as a response to you!

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[deleted] OP t1_jau37ih wrote

No worries, best of luck with everything.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jaoiisz wrote

If someone I love is on the brink of suicide I want to know that they are getting professional, evidence based help.

Magic mushrooms are an emerging field with little evidence base. So is cannabis. It’s too soon to be confident that you can Street drug your way out of a serious bout of depression.

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Littlemuffn t1_japw3wb wrote

I’m 30 years old and can tell you this is not a recently emerging field by a long shot and I encourage you to do some reading into it. I got my degree in psychology, which required a heavy amount of research. There were SO MANY scholarly articles that were published which have shown that psilocybin has had overwhelmingly positive outcomes on those with depression alone. It has also shown to be effective with those who have anxiety disorder as well.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jar94fq wrote

I’m twice your age and I know that it’s been around forever and a curiosity to people, especially those who are inclined to do recreational drugs. There’s always been this hope that we can find magic in the things that make us feel good, like on our days off. There’s still needs to be a lot of research. Keep in mind that the United States went through a period of time where we felt like cocaine was medicinal.

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[deleted] OP t1_jas8kvc wrote

It’s showing very good promise in trials. I would never prevent someone with a potentially terminal illness (treatment-resistant depression) from using a drug that has shown promise in trials but is not yet fully approved.

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mw1219 t1_jat1vq9 wrote

> I’m twice your age...

Whoop....there it is. Put down that boomer mentality of "all drugs bad" and understand that medicine has many forms. Mental as well as physical well-being can be improved through new means.

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Littlemuffn t1_jatty0r wrote

Yea, I wasn’t even bringing my age into my comment as a way to say ‘I have been here longer than you and therefore know more than you’ but to give some context that I’ve undergone traditional treatment my entire life with many different providers and have tried so many medications since I was a child, that I’ve lost count.

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Shadow3114 t1_jaojkg8 wrote

I’ve had enough first hand experiences that prove to me it helps. Multiple people have came to me for micro doses and have sworn up and down that it made them feel better, which is what I do it for. If you don’t like/trust it, good for you. I do, and that’s it. Nobody is forcing you to try it. Calling it a “club drug” and other buzzwords adds nothing to the discussion. Just because It’s not legal and mainstream now doesn’t mean it can’t help people.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jaom0i3 wrote

Fair enough, to each his own.

One note tho - Implying that it is medicine without evidence is worse than calling it a club drug. It’s been a club drug a whole hell of a lot longer than it’s been an antidepressant (if it turns out to be)

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[deleted] OP t1_jaq2eu1 wrote

You're misinformed that psilocybin originated as a "club drug."

It was actually patented for use in psychotherapy when it was isolated by the Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann in 1959. Hofmann's employer Sandoz marketed and sold pure psilocybin to physicians and clinicians worldwide for use in treating depressed patients.

Peer-reviewed studies have thus far found it to be well tolerated in patients with treatment-resistant depression (few adverse effects), and the LD50 is so high that it would be extremely difficult to overdose unintentionally-- actually impossible if using mushrooms and not lab-synthesized psilocybin. Feel free to read the available studies from whichever scholarly sources you prefer (I recommend NCBI, google scholar is also a useful tool).

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Yourbubblestink t1_jar908o wrote

It’s not legal yet, and there’s no one in the State licensed to deliver it. It’s currently in widespread use, however, in clubs, and at raves.

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[deleted] OP t1_jaryjd0 wrote

You’ve already proven you don’t know very much about this chemical and haven’t taken even a cursory amount of time to read about it before making statements, I’m not sure if I should trust your warnings.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jasqvle wrote

I’m very familiar with magic mushrooms

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Perfect_Wafer8265 t1_jasur1j wrote

You're clearly not familiar with the massive amount of research supporting their use in a variety of mental health conditions. It's pretty much the consensus in mainstream psychiatry nowadays that psychedelics are the 3rd wave of psych meds.

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Yourbubblestink t1_jasux19 wrote

Yeah, I get that my whole point is just the government isn’t allowing them to be used that way yet

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[deleted] OP t1_jatyb9g wrote

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Yourbubblestink t1_jau0eqx wrote

No lol. I’m still back at my original point which is that has not yet been recognized by the government as a non experiment intervention. Until that occurs there are not options for getting the treatment yet - there are no prescribers out there able to use it. It’s still not viewed as medicine. I know it works and it will be a great tool for some in The future

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