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mugbrushteeth t1_j7hez3r wrote

Seems like Google is really nervous and desperate it's losing against OpenAI

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farmingvillein t1_j7hgqs3 wrote

Really more about bing...which is a statement which seems kinda crazy to write...

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j7hn77a wrote

OpenAI is powering Bing's forthcoming AI features

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farmingvillein t1_j7i2r6c wrote

Of course--but it isn't openai, per se, that they are scared of, it is the bing distribution platform.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_j7igaj9 wrote

They should be scared of both. OpenAI is capable of scaling ChatGPT and packaging a good consumer app themselves. Bing gets them faster distribution but it isn't like OpenAI is a paper tiger. Google wouldn't be able to compete with either of them in the long term if it continued to refuse to ship its own LLMs.

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JustOneAvailableName t1_j7hh2yv wrote

Their main source of revenue is seriously threatened by a 10-50M(?) investment. It might not be OpenAI, but something will replace Google in the coming years if Google doesn't innovate their search.

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HoneyChilliPotato7 t1_j7hjnif wrote

True, I don't remember the last time I used Google search without adding reddit at the end

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here_we_go_beep_boop t1_j7hpycy wrote

Yep, the entire result space is utterly polluted by SEO trash

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HoneyChilliPotato7 t1_j7ido0d wrote

Honestly I don't even believe the websites anymore. Today I was searching for good sports bar in my city and couldn't find any reddit threads. I decided to give Google search a try but I didn't want to believe the information is true. It felt like the local bars are paying the websites to boost their rankings.

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TheEdes t1_j7mym42 wrote

You're deluded if you don't think SEO doesn't exist in a worse way for LLMs, there's tons of papers about that, you can just mine for phrases that increases likelihoods just by observing outputs.

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here_we_go_beep_boop t1_j7nfi60 wrote

Sure it's just another ams race, doesn't mean that conventional search isn't broken tho

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RobbinDeBank t1_j7kykin wrote

Reddit refusing to implement any half decent search engine and force us to use Google instead

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HoneyChilliPotato7 t1_j7lf6nt wrote

I would prefer it this way. Otherwise reddit would have too much power and eventually become like Google search

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RobbinDeBank t1_j7lih1k wrote

All hail our new big tech overlord Reddit (if they didn’t skip that class on search in college)

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TheEdes t1_j7mysgv wrote

The other day I (mobile) searched for something related to meme stocks and the pills under the search bar showed the News followed by a button that said (+ Reddit), I clicked it and it literally just added reddit to my search term.

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mirrorcoloured t1_j7hum3j wrote

I think this says more about you than Google.

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hemphock t1_j7i4tqx wrote

yeah, but its not just them. https://www.androidauthority.com/reddit-web-search-queries-poll-results-3119551/

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mirrorcoloured t1_j7l8e29 wrote

Wow I didn't expect numbers that high! I wonder if there's a large AA/reddit overlap, or if that's representative of search as a whole.

Google is showing a steady increase in reddit interest over time, and the second related query I see is "what is reddit". It's interesting that it's roughly linear and doesn't have the increasing growth that you'd expect from word-of-mouth spread.

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hemphock t1_j7mtsvp wrote

yeah it's been like that for years. idk reddit is just a well moderated website with lots of small communities around a lot of topics. i think the lifecycle of its communities is the secret sauce. communities will peak and then get crappy (pretty reliably imo) but you can just leave and join new ones.

i dont think the 70% is a good sample though. its a poll of user responses to androidauthority.com

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djbange t1_j7hwpjb wrote

Google is only getting out in front of Microsoft, who apparently has an announcement regarding Bing and chatGPT scheduled for tomorrow.

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chogall t1_j7i9i4b wrote

> seriously threatened by a 10-50M(?) investment.

That's an over exaggeration and simplification of the ads market; large advertisers do not just move and reallocate their ad budget like Elon Musk firing employees.

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visarga t1_j7hgmc3 wrote

It's not their large model, it's a toy model. Expect lower quality.

> This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users

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farmingvillein t1_j7i567e wrote

This is an interesting choice--on the one hand, understandable, on the other, if it looks worse than chatgpt, they are going to get pretty slammed in the press.

Maaaybe they don't immediately care, in that what they are trying to do is head off Microsoft offering something really slick/compelling in Bing. Presumably, then, this is a gamble that Microsoft won't invest in incorporating a "full" chatgpt in their search.

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jlaw54 t1_j7iky3o wrote

Yeah, if google wants to be competitive here they have to offer something just as good or better. A half solution won’t convert. Consumers are too smart for that in this space (overall).

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WokeAssBaller t1_j7j6u6f wrote

I think Google wins this race in the end, seeing ChatGPT be plugged into crappy Microsoft products tells me where it is heading

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chief167 t1_j7kkx9g wrote

It's smart by Google to wait until Microsoft burns the 10 billion, then easily surpass it.

The hype is so painful at the moment, non technical people and sales idiots are way overselling chatgpt.

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RobbinDeBank t1_j7kyu86 wrote

Sadly that’s how the world works. It is run by people with no technical knowledge.

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emerging-tech-reader t1_j7kptn9 wrote

I got a demo of some of the stuff happening.

The one that is most impressive is they have GPT watching a meeting taking minutes and even crafts action items, emails, etc all ready for you when you leave the meeting.

It will also offer suggestions to follow up on in the meetings as they are on going.

Google have become the altavista.

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WokeAssBaller t1_j7kqhgl wrote

Yeah right, OpenAI is built on google research, and cool you worked a half functioning chat or into the worst messaging and search app, congrats

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emerging-tech-reader t1_j7ksup6 wrote

> OpenAI is built on google research

To my knowledge that is not remotely true. Can you cite where you got that claim?

OpenAI does take funding and share research with a number of AI related companies. Don't know if Google is in that list.

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WokeAssBaller t1_j7ktznh wrote

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762.pdf the paper that made all this possible.

Google has also been leading in research around transformers and NLP for some time. Not that they don’t in ways share from each other

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emerging-tech-reader t1_j7kzd3i wrote

> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762.pdf the paper that made all this possible.

That's reaching IMHO. The original transformer was only around a few million parameters in size. It's not even in the realm of the level of ChatGPT.

You may as well say that MIT invented it as Googles paper is based on methods created by them.

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WokeAssBaller t1_j7ladne wrote

Please without the transformer we would never be able to scale, not to mention all of this being built on BERT as well. Then a bunch of companies scaled it further including Google

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emerging-tech-reader t1_j7p3gn4 wrote

> Please without the transformer we would never be able to scale,

Without back propagation we wouldn't have transformers. 🤷‍♂️

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netkcid t1_j7j4bhc wrote

They're oh so bad at connecting tech to the users too...

Google is about to become HotBot or Ask Jeeves or ...

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