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GitGudOrGetGot t1_j1o51xf wrote

Reply to comment by JocialSusticeWarrior in [D] Are reviewer blacklists actually implemented at ML conferences? by XalosXandrez

Why

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curiousshortguy t1_j1o5a7j wrote

Associating the color black with something negative

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Iwannabeaviking t1_j1o6p49 wrote

Blacklist has been used long before ML even existed. It is not a new word and makes sense. Not everything has to be American focused.

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[deleted] t1_j1osfi8 wrote

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Iwannabeaviking t1_j1otow7 wrote

I'm, not a boomer, just not an American so I don't subscribe to the American way of thinking.

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curiousshortguy t1_j1ppptp wrote

Most ML conferences are American, happen to have an extensive code of conduct and diversity, inclusion, and accessibility goals, and thus happen in a very American cultural space.

If you want to be part of a community, you can't unsubscribe from rules and be rude as you like by simply saying that you're not American. You're not to discriminate members of the community or use micro-aggressions against members because your culture doesn't acknowledge the societal issues in other countries.

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Iwannabeaviking t1_j1s2m34 wrote

whilst some conferences are American yes, not all are so thinking that one viewpoint is acceptable is wrong and should not be forced down others' throats.

Blacklist is a universal term and is not offensive and trying to say so is stupid so changing the language to appease a small minority of people is stupid. ML and most computer-based software are binary based so changing languages for the sake of it is stupid anyway.

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curiousshortguy t1_j1s504a wrote

> whilst some conferences are American yes, not all are

The ones OP mentions (ICML / ICLR / NeurIPS) are though.

> Blacklist is a universal term and is not offensive and trying to say so is stupid so changing the language to appease a small minority of people is stupid

There's enoguh science to back up that this is probably not stupid:

> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6007773/
but of course, if you don't care about a minority because they're a minority, you can go ahead and do whatever you want to do. You just might be an inconsiderate asshat then.

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Iwannabeaviking t1_j1s5nxt wrote

of course, it matters to the individual and for the individual to concern themselves with.

The concept of science is the detail within, not the language used as long as the result is shown to be what is proven/unproven.

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GitGudOrGetGot t1_j1o9wft wrote

Plenty of colors are associated with negative things, including white, red, yellow, green, blue

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curiousshortguy t1_j1pp77o wrote

Yes, but not many of those colors are the skin color of a discriminated miniority subjected to systematic abuse and violence for centuries, mostly justified by having that skin color. If you want to understand the argument, you can't ignore social and cultural context.

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