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ThisIsMyStonerAcount t1_iwr6tbk wrote

I've said this once, but I'll happily say it again for anyone who thinks of participating: Fuck Putin with a dildo full of wooden splinters, but be aware that by joining this project you'll be working on warfare technology. And that whatever you'll develop now to help against Russia's invasion might later be used in other military conflicts, about which you might feel much more ethically ambiguous. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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po-handz t1_iwrernl wrote

Thank you. So many bleeding hearts in my AI Ethics grad class yet a huge chunk of them go on to work at Raytheon, Lockheed, this shit project

Then they get back on social media a d complain about the military industrial complex or how much budget goes to defense. It's embarrassing

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phsycicwit t1_iwtoqme wrote

Why wouldnt you expect adversarial countries to be very interested in this product, given that it works well? I doubt the project could fend off cyber attacks and/or infiltration from interested parties. Better not build it in a civilian context..

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ThisIsMyStonerAcount t1_iwtkluq wrote

The things they're looking to do can easily be used in offensive ways as well. Plus, we know from the Manhattan project that in hindsight many of the participants wished they hadn't done what they've done. Not that I think that this project is similarly large in scope, but the basic context of "don't work on warfare tech, even if it currently seems important" stands. I'm sure there are people disagreeing, otherwise no one would work in that sector or join the military. But I think there's a lot of people who are looking for ways to help Ukraine w/o realizing that work like this might have consequences beyond the current conflict. If you're building a weapon that your military uses to fight the enemy, then that has less possibilities for misuse (provided you trust your military) than if you develop a software to track humans in satellite images in real time and put it out there in the world for good and bad actors to use, alike.

(Also, "Your argument is childish, but I won't elaborate and you're a stoner" is middle school argument, too, hereComeThatGurl420)

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Dmytro_North t1_iwtsr42 wrote

I hear you. But let me ask you this. What would you do if your country was attacked? If your family and friends were killed? Would you stand aside? What I am asking is where is the line? Are there values you are willing stand behind? Any power can be used for good, bad, or something in between. And unfortunately weak military attracts aggressors. At the moment lives and freedoms of my people are spared thanks to power, technology, and resources of the western world, including most Ukraine’s neighbouring countries. And again, almost anything can be used for bad intentions. That means there is work for you to do in your own country to keep your government/military in check. The choice is yours.

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ThisIsMyStonerAcount t1_iwtw1mv wrote

I totally understand your position. My hat is off to anyone who chooses to fight for Ukraine. I'd expect the Ukrainian military and nato allies to work on projects just like this, because it makes sense to have such a system. People who want to work on these projects full time should in fact just join the military to avoid duplicate work (and to get closer to the actual customers of your work).

I'm just saying that the work being done here is easier to abuse (and could potentially turn out to develop into a net negative long after this war is over) than work done by someone who eg. drives a tank. There are ethical considerations that might not be obvious at first sight.

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