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My fiancee and I do this, the percentages we each contribute is closer to 50% of our paychecks each and we use that to cover all the bills, groceries and nights out. The rest we have in personal accounts to use as we please.
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Why have a joint bank account? In the uk many things can take half the requires money from 2 accounts. I've known alot of married couples and the joint account became a constant issue.
Never had any issues with a shared account.
Only recently opened separate accounts for sportsbetting since using the same account can be an issue
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You mean that the arrangement I had, where my money was OUR money and her money was NONE OF MY BUSINESS was not optimal?
Easier for budgeting. Figure out how much you need to put in the joint account for bills, only use it for bills, don’t have to think about it anymore or worry if one of the accounts doesn’t have enough for whatever reason. Nothing to argue about unless one of you spends it how you’re not supposed to.
Best thing my wife and I ever did. We dont do a percentage though we just get a set petty cash amount.
As a banking professional for 16 years. I HIGHLY recommend this, especially when on a tight budget.
I find this advice counterintuitive to marriage. I feel finances should be combined as one. I know this is anecdotal but everytime I've heard about issues in a marriage that stems from finances, I find out that they treated their income as their own.
Yeah...unless one spends it how it's not supposed to...no joking when. I read that the faces of 3 couples I know floated into my mind. Clearly it's horses for courses and there's no one size fits all
Sportsbetting is an issue in itself
For some people, sure.
It's just extra income for us.
This is VERY bad advice lmao
Been doing this for 30 years, 60% of net pay into a joint, what we call, house account,.
Seems to work but you do you.
Good luck
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Until it becomes an extra expense
I never understood this; we share our income into 1 account and I couldnt possibly imagine doing it differently
I think it's fine advice for some people.
Better advice dont get married.
But seriously every relationship is different and has different boundaries and needs.
It won't though. Once the easy money is gone we'll just stop doing it.
it makes you feel like the money in your account is yours and not "ours"
you can buy yourself something special without feeling guilty about it.
How will you know the easy money is gone, it could be a bad streak
Can you tell me more about how I can make easy money by gambling?
I think you assume that we are gambling. We're not.
We take the guaranteed money 99% of the time.
We do bet on games that we'll be watching though, but we can do without that.
By not gambling.
You take advantage of promo offers and boosts. Just takes some basic math and you'll come out ahead.
We just finished a DC trip and made almost $3k. Going back tomorrow since they sent some more offers this week.
If we are sharing anecdotes, I’ve actually seen more problems with completely joint accounts. You get into arguments like “how can you spend so much on shoes” vs “I can’t believe you spent that much on tickets to a game”. You end up discussing every purchase to make sure the other is ok with it and it gets taxing
If you can’t trust your spouse not to spend your rent money that’s a bigger issue than any bank account setup can solve.
Give an example please. Can you share exactly what was the promo offer and what was the bet to make 3k? To me it sounds like you got lucky instead of you getting “free” money.
This is the truth. A lot of people are hung up on the topic as you can see by the comments here. The old-school thought is that all money is pooled as part of marriage, as a requirement for marriage. It is not.
The way we do it is we have our own accounts AND we have a joint account. We pay our household bills and stuff with the joint account. I get to spend my money how I want and we don't ever have to argue about money - it's the best of both worlds.
I just fail to see why someone would feel guilty about buying something (assuming finances are stable enough to support the purchase).
There's no luck involved.
GambetDC had a 57% deposit match up to $1000 in bonus funds. They also did a $250 risk free first bet.
MGM had a 100% $500 deposit match and a $1000 risk free bet.
I'm not going to list out every bet, but you use those offers and bet the opposite side using another book. We used Draftkings, Caesars and Fanduel depending on who had the best line offered for each bet. Was a bit annoying with DC since they have location restrictions for MGM and Gambet, but it was still easy enough to make the bets and then either walk to the next area or take the metro back to VA to place our hedge bets.
Oh, and we also got $200 in free bets on MGM for some reason.
Or you could just communicate and understand that you each have things you spend money on that doesn’t directly benefit the other person. If there’s a concern about one person overspending, that’s something you need to talk about as a couple.
Same here. Shared joint account for bills and stuff, personal accounts for our personal stuff. It has been working well for us for many years, no arguments about money.
I can't believe people still do this with joint accounts! Feels so old fashioned. I mean, by all means have a joint account for bills, but 80-90%!?! Is that assuming really high costs and low income? I'd not want more than 30-50% going into a joint account
Sounds horrible!
A simple "let's discuss any purchases over 'x' amount" could solve that.
This is great advice for younger people. It makes absolute sense to always have a pillow to take care of yourself. Gotta have your get out of town bag.
Older generations have much different landmarks on relationships that aren’t really standing for us today.
This doesn’t make sense to me. If you use bonus money to make a bet and then use your own money to make the hedge bet, don’t you just either lose the bonus money or lose your hedging bet? How do you get ahead?
That honestly sounds more complicated than having a joint account where you split household needs and then a separate account for individual needs.
Just to keep it simple, we'll look at the BetMGM offer without even considering the risk free bet portion, and just for one user.
You deposit $500 and receive $500. You have $1000 to place a wager.
You place $1000 on a +220 line. The total payout is $3200.
You place a hedge bet of $2286 on the opposite outcome at odds of -250. The total payout is $3200.
So you've bet $500 and $2286, for a total of $2786, and your total payout is $3200. $3200 - 2786 is a profit of $414.
Completely agree. It might make sense to keep an account separate early in the relationship (emergency escape fund) but once you buy a house together? At that point you'd better be on the same page in terms of money values. I trust my partner 100% not to make bad small purchases and to always discuss medium or large ones. It does take the fun out of gift-giving, but good lord is it worth that small loss! You can still surprise each other with an hour long back rub, or having dinner ready when it's not your night, or whatever.
That sounds exhausting! I guess I got really lucky with my partner. We are 99% in alignment. We're also a bit flexible and able to meet each other on what we aren't.
If each spouse puts, say 90% of their income into a join account and the other 10% is theirs to spend as they will, what happens when one spouse makes a significant amount more than the other spouse? Can't see a marriage lasting too long in that situation.
Wait, are we talking about roommates , or spouses? It sounds like you are talking about room mates.
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And who is the boss.
Have had yours, mine and ours accounts for over 20 years. It has worked fine so far.
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Great idea when you make significantly more! Especially if the mother of your childern stays at home and has no income!
This is how i and my partner do it, being a hobby photographer its alot better to have my own $ to spend
Wife and I both put 50% income into a joint for all bills/food/etc. It's worked out really well for us
Thanks for explaining! How do you get these offers? I will go try it out
I think that’s great! Whatever works, works. I do think more ppl have success with separate bank accounts and a joint one for household bills (since most marriages may not be as like minded as yours :))
The BetMGM offer is available to be customers. Once you register, just wait a few days and they'll send the email for the deposit match offer.
And you can do it again in multiple states.
"YOUR money"
not really. Most states say when you are married the property/assets are joint. that's what marriage is lol. sure keep separate accounts if you want but its not "yours" its both of yours.
Weird, my LPT would be: Merge your separate bank accounts into joint accounts when you get married.
Source: Married 30 years this years. Meanwhile 3 of the 4 friends who got married same year are divorced. All of them maintained separate money.
I think you need to have an in depth conversation about how to split the percentages into the joint and individual accounts. But once that’s done, the rest is easy.
because the finances probably aren't stable enough but the bad purchasing behavior still continues? thats why the arguments or guilt or guilt-tripping ensues
We had different banks when we moved in together, and got 3 accounts when we finally settled on a bank. Hers, mine, and the joint account. Paychecks go into the joint account, and allowance goes into personal accounts. This is mostly because there is a huge income discrepancy between me and my S/O. My paychecks are almost double what she brings home in a month, and I do not want her to feel like she isn't contributing as much. If we split things the way you described, I would have thousands more dollars a year in discretionary spending than she would. The weekly allowance is the same for both of us, and once we reduce our debt more, the allowance will increase for both of us. Allowance money can be spent no questions asked, joint money is for everything from bills, to date nights, to random purchases we both agree on. Having separate bank accounts with an allowance still gives us the freedom of having money for our own wants without hurting the budget, but we still have the big pot of money for every day expenses.
Better yet don’t even make a joint account. Just add your spouse to your account so they can have access if they need to but respect each other and don’t use it as if it was your own.
I don't know how that could be achieved without it being unfair to the one spouse who has to give up a higher percentage of their spending money.
Exactly. The above advice only really works if incomes are similar. In my household I make 4x what my S/O makes. If we both contributed 90% of our incomes, I would have a lot left over. Instead we get an even, weekly allowance, that we adjust based on our bills/debts. Less debt = more allowance. I don't make comments about how she spends her allowance, and she doesn't comment about how I spend mine.
One of us likes to impulse buy cheaper things, the other likes to save up and buy more expensive things.
Having a joint account + individual accounts helps take away the stress that having differing spending habits has on a marriage.
Protip: If you feel like having individual accounts sets up the field for "cheating" you can have multiple "joint" accounts at the same bank. Keep a real "joint" account, and have 2 additional "joint" accounts you treat as individual accounts.
I hope there's a /s you're missing.
I put 100% of my paycheck after savings (joint savings) into the joint account. She puts 100% of her check. We get an allowance every Friday. We're a couple, everything is shared. Also a huge income disparity between us means if I kept 50% of my income, I'd be pocketing more than her monthly take home. That is far from fair in a marriage.
Just pay 50% of all the bills and common stuff every couple weeks or something
In that situation, sperate accounts won't fix overspending. All it would do is force one spouse cover for the other spouse's spending habits.
As an example, one couple I know has the husband making significantly more. The husband contributes 80% of their earnings so that they both can live in a nice apartment in the nice part of town. The wife contributes 50% of her income and keeps 50% so that she has a similar amount of personal spending. They discussed this and were fine with it.
I think after making this one decision, they no longer have to have discussions each time someone spends more than x amount for a completely joint account
Same situation with us. My partner and I have a joint account that we each pay into proportional to our income (which amounts to ~50% of our income each) to cover rent, bills, pet expenses, fun stuff we do together, stuff for the house... The rest of our money stays in our own separate accounts for us to use on stuff we do without the other person (hobbies, hangouts with friends, clothing, personal purchases). It's worked super well so far!
Least convincing thing that could have been said. It only becomes a problem when you consider it a source of income.
Dude good shit on gaming the system!
I'm old, in my 60's. We tried this when we first got married and just found it easier to use a joint account. I can see the benefits both ways.
But it is a source of income. Has been for the last 2 years.
I know people have a hard time grasping the concept because all they see is "sportsbetting" but you can use it to make guaranteed income if you have the discipline.
They have no problem screwing customers so I'm just trying to fight back lol
This is great advice, made us both much happier in our marriage. Sure it’s possible to share an account and make it work, but that definitely doesn’t work for everyone. It’s much harder to go from sharing one account to splitting, because the suggestion is always taken personally. If you’re in a new relationship and especially if you are someone who is high income, frugal, or an aggressive saver, do your self a favor and follow this tip from day 1.
That’s right. We’re a team and we do everything together. Money is just a tool. We have “fun money” that’s our own but everything we make goes through our budget and bank account. We’re not “partners”, we’re married. Business partners care about money first. Married people care about each other first.
Oh 1000% that's why I'm rooting for you. They're trying to lure in people with the free bets so they can take their money. Glad you figured out a way to take some of it back.
I like OPs solution much better. Works great in my marriage.
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It absolutely is yours, your partner can’t access your private accounts without your permission unless they take you to court, which happens mostly in the context of divorce.
Yea, at the time I made more than her and she was on my case about the multiple swipes a day for things like sodas or snacks or whatever. So she budgeted it all out. gets all our bills paid and gives us some so I can do what I want and not hear it about what I do. Now she makes more than I do and all it means is the fun money goes up some and we still happy.
What happens when one of you makes significantly more?
I make significantly more than my SO (>2x). I don’t think I would feel great watching her not be able to spend as discretionarily as I can. In some couples that would create tension.
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Disagree. Easier to negotiate big joint expenses than erratic personal expenses.
Exactly. This is the kind of stuff that should get ironed out before marriage. If I thought of money I earned as mine, then I am not thinking of how my contributions are for the benefit of the unit (family, partner, kids, etc) as a whole. Once my wife and I got married, it has always been about us , and not me + them. I imagine some people struggle with this, so it is probably best that they don't get married, or at least not in the legal sense.
TL;DR --> If you have any doubts in your partner's commitment to Sparkle Motion, then you should not be married.
Can you elaborate? Because honestly I've only heard pretty bad takes on this, and I seem to do OK with one account and a budget. Curious if there's anything I'm missing.
Wife and I have a monthly set, managed to the week budget spreadsheet in a shared document app. Enter all spend in the week its occurred and be transparent. All spend is put on our shared credit cards and we get 2% cash back on 100% of the spend. We usually keep under our budget and meet our savings and investment goals every month. Now and then we have an event, like car repair and we don't quite make the savings goal. Oh well, make it up next month! Works well for us.
Don’t think any one approach will work for all couples.
If two people who are married can't work out an equitable budget split they probably have bigger issues. The whole point is to discuss and work out what's fair.
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Mine too. But our premises were different, we both felt that we had already reached a level of autonomy that justified having separate accounts! So we agreed that I bear certain expenses and she bears others, more or less equally.
Everything has worked out perfectly for the last 25 years - and the OP is quite right, there are things I can buy without having to justify much and my wife the same ;-)
I'd say a marriage who keep their finances separate probably have bigger issues. The whole point of marriage is to become a union.
Neither in my marriage. And we really never fight about money. We talk and negotiate it out. Complete transparency.
It’s actually not that hard to be profitable in sportsbetting if you know what you’re doing and you’re taking advantage of promos. For the most part it’s just a risk management game and you’re not even gambling.
For example prizepicks let’s you bet $20 risk free every Friday and they have prop discounts on Tuesdays and other promos throughout the year. If you only bet on Friday and promos the risk is pretty minimal. That’s just one site. If you start using promos across sites to maximize value you can add a decent source of income. It’s a process that can be a bit complicated to maximize profits, but if you just want some extra bucks here and there then the key is promos.
The issue is people who become addicted and just throwing bets left and right everyday or try to hit the big one to get money fast. I made $3.5k in 2022 (before taxes), maybe I could’ve made more if I was betting everyday, but there’s also a chance I wouldve lost too.
I didn't say anything about keeping finances separate?
I think different strokes for different folks. My wife and I do the shared account route. She buys whatever she wants that’s within our budget and I do the same thing. Works for us but I know some people it wouldn’t work out for.
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So basically what OP suggested. Suddenly you want to do something for yourself like betting and got a separate account. Why not just use the shared account since that was working so well?
How is putting money into a mutual pot for bills and such putting money first?
The benefits I’ve gleamed from utilizing a joint account to pay bills but individual accounts for independence/incidentals are as follows:
The joint account forces you to know exactly how much is needed monthly for your expenses and thus that is how much goes into the account (plus a buffer). Unlike strictly maintaining a joint account, it is easier for both incomes to be added into the account with no real oversight on how the money is delved out to bills.
When utilizing a joint account only, the spending from one partner may be far greater then the other because they now have excess income to spend, leaving one persons attempts to save money left in tatters. My experience has been that most people are terrible at saving. This can be a major contention point in relationships.
If you are on a tight budget, imagine checking your bank account and seeing you have $100 to spend. Both partners believe they have money to spend, so one buys groceries, while the other purchases gas. Both essential. But now that tight budget is in the red and you are being charged a heft overdraft fee and depending on when payday is continued overdraft fees per day. Both parties were responsible and yet the error still occurs.
Independence is probably the biggest reason I’d recommend still having additional accounts for savings and incidentals. Not to be pessimistic, but there are pretty good odds that a relationship may not work out. You should be able to comfortably understand your finances and regain control of your funds. Not to mention the other reason in the original post such as birthday presents, or getting that little something for yourself that you’ve saved up for without having to worry about the explanation.
If you win consistently at sportsbetting it’s nice to have another account for tax purposes. I put 50% of all my withdrawals in a separate savings account that way I know I’m covered for taxes and after the taxes I’ve got some extra savings. It’s a nice way to keep track although a spreadsheet of the $ amounts would probably work as well
This! Especially when theres always thatxchance for a divorce or thing start turning sour and tou need to get out always goid to keep some of your money set aside for yourself
No, that's not what I said at all.
You can't fund two separate sportsbetting accounts with the same bank account. They will flag that and we'd lose out on the bonuses/promotions for one of the accounts.
That's the only kind of thing we use the separate account for, and it's only her name on it.
So your anecdotal experience as a source. Ok.
I think you know that’s not what I said. Not putting it into the same place first is not putting marriage first. Having personal bank accounts is not bad.
If personal account first, then shared, that’s putting money first.
If shared account first, then personal, that’s putting marriage first.
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I think a good tip is to discuss and agree how you will manage household finances before getting married.
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OP has trust issues with their partner. Or does not have a partner as this LPT is not an LPT nor even financial advice.
Spouse does not know about the sports betting account.
Soon to be linked to Apple Pay and Pornhub subscription.
…I think that’s how they spell it.
I really don't get the point of a joint account.
Husband/boyfriend has Account 1, wife/girlfriend has Account 2.
Example bill costs 100$.
Solution 1: I pay the full 100$ and my wife/girlfriend sends me the 50$ so we split 50/50.
Solution 2: She pays the full 100$ and I send her the 50$.
This is what my girlfriend and I have been doing for 4 years now. Is there something I'm not seeing?
I think it’s the other way around. Better to share money and work together then split and do your own thing. Seems like the opposite of what marriage is.
Yup! It never even occurred to us to completely merge finances. We had a joint and two separate accounts even before getting married.
>I think a good tip is to discuss and agree on nearly everything before getting married.
Fixed it for you. But yes. Agreed!
This is more a “this is an option” LPT than a “this should be standard” LPT. If my wife and I had separate accounts I’d just want to save more knowing we have spending money set aside and would be wondering what she’s using it on, and vice versa. Joint account & transparency works better for us.
I guess we're just communists. Everything is joint.
It helps that we started with no money.
Actual LPT: Communicate with each other on what works best for you as a couple. If you have to explain something or justify something to your partner, you may just not be communicating well enough. Every relationship is different, and will require different solutions for unique problems.
We use YNAB and we each have our own spending category. Easy.
That is 100% the wrong way to take this. It has nothing to do with wanting or being prepared to leave. It is specifically to have an account that you can spend any way you want. Mainly I'm talking about fun things that, in a joint bank account, your partner might argue is frivolous. This is a way to avoid a potential argument.
crazy to think that getting to keep 10% of my own money is considered "the freedom to do whatever you want with YOUR money without having to explain" lol.
That's fine, but how often do you buy things that you want that you partner would find frivolous? If you do, has it ever created an argument? This is simply a way to avoid that. By contributing a high amount like I suggested, it is still a situation where there is mostly one account. Just a little fun money to avoid the arguments.
90 percent of income for bills. Sheesh y’all broke bois
We also have a huge discrepancy here, even bigger than yours. I probably net 3 times as much as she does. We budgeted accordingly. I put more than 5 times what she puts in the joint account, but we still have 50% ownership of the house on paper.
I still have more left for discretionary spending, but it's not that much. She still has way more discretionary money than she would have if we weren't a couple since her contribution to the joint account is fairly small.
We live a fairly frugal lifestyle so we're both comfortable with that.
I'm a student so we're single income and we just kind of agree to be responsible with money so far. If it comes to a serious disagreement we'll have to come up with a more official allowance system.
Can’t you just take the $500 and bet $10 and withdraw? You free $500 lost some value down to $414.
My ex earned below minimum wage, I got sick of paying for everything and stopped having joint savings account.
How is this the wrong way to take it? Setting aside money to take care of yourself wether it be a new video game or whatever it is you need to buy, it’s still taking care of yourself.
Same. We are going on 12 years and it works great.
I wonder if there is an income differential (ie: one spouse makes more than the other) then there might be a tendency to evaluate each person's contribution separately - the "I bring more to our finances than you do." I guess whatever works. Like you, we have always lumped everything together into a single account. It seems a strange concept to me to do otherwise.
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You have to play through it before you can withdraw it.
And I usually find much better lines, so I'd end up around $500.
Hang out over on r/marriage. Every day there is a post with major relationship problems stemming from exactly this arrangement.
Edit to add: this gets extremely difficult when a couple has children and one partner becomes a primary care giver and it affects income.
How much time did you invest in it to make that $3.5K?
If what you're doing works for you, then it's fine. There's no one right way to do it. It's not like it's a life changing thing but it just makes things a little easier imo.
The advantages I’ve personally had are:
Really? What are the problems? This is meant to alleviate any arguments about frivolous purchases
Yes, that I agree with. I just don't like the notion of "gotta have your get out of town bag"
I’d offer the reverse advice. If you find someone who truly trusts you and who you fully trust, you can share one account without conflict. Also, neither will care about income difference.
Completely disagree.
What happens if you do the math on child care costs for multiple kids, and decide someone's staying home while the other one works? They just don't get to buy anything? Or if there's a dramatic swing in earnings? "Sorry honey, I don't think you can afford this vacation, I'll see you when I get back".
I'm not suggesting planned "fun money" accounts/allowances are bad, I'm saying basing them off your earnings is a pretty crappy way to do it if you're a team.
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Thats how wappies exist
Well im not rich, but holy, 90%…..
Spot on. Makes total sense to me
I would never join my bank accounts together. We've been together for seven years, but 1. Neither of us needs to give the other a hard time for discretionary spending as long as our bills are paid and we're hitting savings goals. 2. I've had too many friends and even a family member get absolutely screwed by having joint finances and a spouse that decided they wanted out with little to no notice and messing with the money.
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Agreed. Different strokes is spot on.
However, what I find interesting about OPs approach is I could see this becoming an issue related to the breadwinner being able to spend more freely. I make significantly more then my wife, doesn’t mean I think I get to spend significantly more. And especially with a kid, I can’t imagine not doing it the joint method. However that is just us, and as an accountant it easier to have me manage the budget for the whole family.
We talk at a minimum every 2 weeks about these things.
My LPT is to make a list of needs and don’t spend too spontaneously. As in spending continually on various $20 Amazon purchases, or $5 at Starbucks adds up quick.
Yeah same here. My wife makes 1/8 of what I make and I can for sure see where OPs method could cause issues for us. Right now she just checks in to see what is in the budget for something. I don’t mind spending money on her as most of the time it’s stuff that we both get to enjoy like dinners, trips, a dress for her or some jewelry. Most of the time she doesn’t even suggest anything I just buy her stuff.
A lot if you count also watching games, but I also do it for fun a bit as well and quite enjoy doing it. I’d be watching sports regardless so a little income off of it is a bonus. It’s not a career by any means and the $ per hour wouldnt be worth it the way I do it if I didnt have fun doing it. I am on the addicted side of the spectrum for sure, but I am aware of ways you can do it risk free and that’s why I chimed in.
The example I used would take 5 mins max if you didn’t care about the games at all and just waited for the results. There are other ways to use promos within 5 mins that are risk free as well. It really just depends what your goal of doing it is.
Because employment status changes, family expenses increase, children are born, cars break, people get sick. Yes, In a happy marriage, you should be looking to be useful and supportive to your partner, but again, hang out on r/marriage and you'll see plenty of people who are not. So they fight over who has to pay and whether one partner should have to "lend money" to the other when they unexpectedly needed new tires.
I became the stay at home parent for 6 years. Thankfully I have a loving, supportive partner who values my self care more than I do. That's not the case for everyone.
Going to make sure she has ownership of the house/cars once we're married officially in a few months. Been living like we're married since we moved in together 3 years ago. Most of our monthly budget is being eaten up by trying to get out from the debt we both accrued from before we got together. But that's an "US" problem and we deal with it together.
Couldn't agree more! We definitely dont complain at each other about money, because my S/O would barely be able to afford their student loans without my income, and I had a ton of Credit Card debt when we got together. We're both working through it and know things will get better over the next 2 years.
Everything we spend is our money so its a common decision. It seems almost selfish to have some share of my income “for myself” as if having one bank account is somehow limiting me and what I want to do
Thank you very much for the explanation and I'm sorry to hear about your wife. I can see now how they can be beneficial.
Good to hear
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