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Goes the other way too

It does; however, this post wasn't about the other way

Still goes both ways even if you make a post singling out one gender

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I'm with you in spirit. But in practice, gov licensing of marriage has destroyed marriage.

Get a formal commitment ceremony instead, that doesn't involve the government. And if you're worried about no state protection if he's a douchbage and leaves you with a child, you can make a legally binding agreement, that doesn't involve the state.

But, if you're really concerned about that, should you be making babies with him?

I get it, you're absolutely right. But There are some trifling and/or twisted women out there that just want a "kid" and not a family. Men have to run like hell from them too. And when you commit , it's a hard road you choose. I see couples break up for the simplest things that therapy or some good conversation could easily solve.

And I agree. However, saying "women do it too", has succeeded in derailing the original topic. The few comments on here are about women. Which is what I wanted to avoid.

Why I'm being down voted for my request to stay on topic is a mystery

So anyone who is non-religious and doesn't want to marry due to that shouldn't have a child...I see

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The title literally says "If he is willing to make a baby with you, but unwilling [sic] to get married, RUN. RUN LIKE HELL."

Not sure how "unwilling" means I'm missing context but okay.

Seems like it's a "No marriage is a dealbreaker for me, it should be a dealbreaker for everyone" post.

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Marriage and babies are two totally different things!

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Is that really your argument?

Marriage isn't strictly a religious construct, and hasn't been since tax/medical/legal benefits were introduced for married couples/married couples with children.

If someone was willing to have a child with me, but unwilling to get married while subject to a government that provides huge amount of legal benefits for being married, I'd run like hell.

To be clear, I am 200% opposed to organized religion, and its affect on the general population. That has nothing to do with getting "married" in the eyes of the gov't - you can get married in a courtroom with no ceremony/religion involved.

>since tax benefits were introduced for married couples with children.

Oh really? I'm in the UK and we have (almost) no tax benefits for marriage (£200 a year subject to very specific circumstances), almost every EU member state has no marriage benefit.

>while subject to a government that provides huge amount of legal benefits

So in the USA?

>Is that really your argument?

Is YOUR argument really "But 'murica gives us benefits for it"

Perhaps the real LPT should be "If you're in a place that give benefits for being married, discuss the benefits of marriage with your significant other, and if not being married is a deal breaker, don't invest in a relationship with that person" but I guess it's not quite as catchy as bashing men for not agreeing with your opinion...

Lol this guy above not getting it

I’m wondering too if I’m just not understanding the other comments, but women have to sacrifice their body for said baby… so like yes it goes both ways technically but not in a equity way. Unless I too am part of the problem?

Idk I think this is a great bit of pro tip advice! To be wary of partners that want to rush into life events we’re not ready for <3

It's not just murica, the uk and eu gives a swath of legal/beneficiary and medical benefits for being married. Also, the uk does have a "married couples allowance" but it recently allows for unmarried partners as well.

But, regardless the u.s. situation is enough

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Women do it too and saying so isn't off topic. And your issue with that fact is ruining your topic.

You're the the bad guy here.

>the uk gives a swath of beneficiary and medical benefits for being married.

Oh really? Because the only "medical benefit" is implied next of kin.

For beneficiary only non shared assets are subject to inheritance tax when one spouse predeceases the other. Non-shared assets can also be held in trust for minors.

The uk literally has alternative options for EVERY marriage benefit except married tax allowance, where £1250 of the tax allowance can be transferred, but only if you're a basic rate payer, meaning that only if one partner is earning under £12500 pre tax a year and the other under £50000 you can get up to £250.

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Derailing what? Your tip applies to both genders regardless of your intended target. Conversations around that are perfectly on topic. Or would you rather every commenter simply said “agreed”?

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It's not just next of kin I'm concerned with, it's medical visitstion/decision making that would otherwise have to be proactively dealt with, and even then, can fall through if it's not "as normal."

Same with power of attorney/beneficiary. A huge amount of people don't deal with this until its too late, and it's significantly more difficult to legally navigate.

Even in the u.s., most services are available for non-married couples, it's just an amount of hoops to hop through that don't make sense to deal with

Marriage certificate is a legal contract regardless of religion. You’re the one who’s mentioning religion all of a sudden.

This is so dumb. Don’t follow this “LPT” folks.

This is the most stupid anti-advice I have seen in a month.

We are entering a new era and marriage, as a social institute, is going to be extinct.

>visitation

Not an issue I'm the UK, non married have the same visitation rights in all hospitals

>decision making that would otherwise have to be proactively dealt with

I agree with this point, however "get married because then you don't have to fill out as many forms" seems to be a reason that falls flat for me why it would be a reason to "run away"

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