If people haven't reasoned themselves into a position, you can't reaaon them out. The super red flags for me are when they resort to conspiracy type shit or talk about how they heard it on talk radio. Especially when they're like "There's a bigger picture here" or "they do this thing around elections and it will magically go back" and tadaaaa it never happens. But you just keep dreaming, pal. Show me a vetted source or actual data. What? You can't? Oh my how shocking.