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NaturalSelectorX t1_jea7j38 wrote

I feel like you have a different experience than most people. A common result of taking on more responsibility is that you get more work with the same pay. Then your expectations go up, and your perceived performance goes down. Greedy assholes and shitty management won't provide resources and opportunities to better the lives of their employees; that's why they are greedy and shitty.

My counter advice is to find a place you don't hate, work at a comfortable pace to avoid burnout, and seek opportunities in your free time. The best way to progress your career and increase wages is to move to a new employer.

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chuckdooley OP t1_jea9yca wrote

I am not saying take on more responsibility for responsibility sake. I’m saying, take on responsibilities for yourself.

Want to learn excel? Spend browsing time making something that will make your job easier…does your company have excel training courses? Take them

I’m saying, use the time you’re stuck there to better yourself…that’s it…pretty simple concept that I think were trained to overlook

Bide your time, make the paycheck while you research companies…do things that YOU want to do because it makes YOU better…who cares if the company benefits in the short term

This is all about an individual making themselves better…they’re not going to pay you what they owe you, probably, use them until you can move on

It’s like a coach that works at a stepping stone team…make the most of it and move on

Edit: there’s this mentality of, “my job sucks, fuck them”. Ok, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t opportunities to better yourself along the way

Gut reaction is: “that will never work and here’s why”….I know those words, they were my mantra for years

Change the way you think, which isn’t easy, but it’s possible

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chuckdooley OP t1_jeaaygj wrote

One more reply, because I think it’s important. Look at the negativity in the answers…yeah, you’re right, the odds are stacked against you, but the resources are available (through the company or not, even) to expand skill sets and it just costs time that you’re already spending

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chuckdooley OP t1_jeaanz5 wrote

Also, I have to add, maybe I do have a better situation than some or most, I didn’t start here….I am just repeating what I have done in my career to get here.

Just because at first glance it doesn’t fit, doesn’t mean it’s bad stupid advice as someone else said.

It takes work, but dammit, it’s fulfilling for once and I’m proof that it works, even if it takes time

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NaturalSelectorX t1_jeafanh wrote

> I didn’t start here….I am just repeating what I have done in my career to get here.

You started somewhere, and it was probably a more advantageous position than most. You are born into a family with an economic class. Higher economic class = more property taxes = better funded schools. Living in a nicer area provides better work opportunities. Your connections were influenced by where you lived and where you went to school. You probably didn't have parents working multiple jobs. Maybe you got financial help with college. There are a lot of things people take for granted when creating their "self-made" narrative. Nobody is self-made. This is a good read on the subject. You may be a victim of the fundamental attribution error.

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chuckdooley OP t1_jeagqzm wrote

What a weird thing to fixate on. You don’t know one thing about my background or finances (or, to be honest, lack thereof)

I grew up in an ag town in Kansas. I went to public school, public university and have worked my ass off since I was 14

I’m a recovering alcoholic that nearly drank myself to death because of my career.

I am me and that’s it.

I don’t care whether someone started beneath me above me or the same as me. We all have to do it…it’s easier for some than others, that’s a fact of life.

Why would you try to discount the advice I’m giving?

Edit: I'm not saying you can't challenge me, again, I welcome that, but to make huge assumptions because "maybe you didn't consider you have an easier life than others" is such a simple way of looking at it....this isn't "get rich with these three easy steps", this is, "hey, you probably have some positive opportunities even in a bad situation, explore those options"

And please don’t quote the bootstraps thing to me…that isn’t even close to what I’m saying. I’m saying, we all have the same amount of time on this earth…instead of saying, I can’t do this because XYZ, think positively

Edit: also, talk about really missing the point, I never once said I was self-made….I have taken advantage of the opportunities laid in front of me….I stand on the shoulders of giants (we all do) and if you don’t take advantage of the work done before you, that’s on you

Edit: you being the royal you, not you specifically

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NaturalSelectorX t1_jeane1n wrote

> I never once said I was self-made

When you say "I'm proof that it works", "it" being the work and choices you made, that's being self-made.

> I have taken advantage of the opportunities laid in front of me

Right. I'm saying you are privileged to have those opportunities. The person cleaning toilets at Wendy's (that was your example) doesn't have professional development opportunities like an accountant. Being the best toilet cleaner gets you more toilets to clean.

> Why would you try to discount the advice I’m giving?

Because it's a view of the world that only applies to a relatively privileged few, and seems insulting to those that are not. The person at Wendy's is far better off trying to attend night school or other education opportunities outside of work. Putting in maximum effort at Wendy's comes at a huge opportunity cost. You should be turning down those extra shifts to work on getting out of Wendy's. Taking advantage of professional development is great for those who have it available, but you tried to pretend this can apply to toilet cleaners.

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