R3D3-1 t1_j9kmy0m wrote on February 22, 2023 at 5:53 PM

Reply to comment by colonelc4 in Putin: How much of the Russian population want to kill me? by FPSCanarussia

It is down voted. But leaving aside the interpretation as "hate", pretty much accurate apparently :/

Even recent Interviews shown in Western media at best show a wariness of the war, but rarely disagreement in the fundental idea of the politics.

Sure, there are anti-putin Russians. But increasingly I get the feeling that the idea that Russia will rise against it's government,or that there could be a coup from within privileged circles when wealth is at stake, looks like wishful thinking of us in the West. If Putin suddenly dies to a stroke, I don't think the politics would change fundamentally, though I suspect internal stability of the country would go to hell – which might end up being worse than the current situation for all of the world.

For Ukraine I've heard different things, ranging from a correspondent saying that pro-Russian sentiment in regions directly attacked by artillery is at most in the single-digit percents, to second-hand accounts of pro-Government Ukrainians frustrated that "half the village wants Putin to win" to a refugee teacher estimating at one-in-three pro-Russian sentiment.

Even among my own friends and aquantainces the sentiments range from volunteering for defense against Russia to sending mutual congratulations that Putin is finally acting last February. Sometimes within a family.

Complete mess.

FPSCanarussia OP t1_j9l2a56 wrote on February 22, 2023 at 7:27 PM

Yeah, pretty much. I personally think that instability from regime change would be better than the consequences of letting an idiot remain in power, but I've got close family members in Moscow that actively support the war.

The situation is fucked up, and the people with the power to change things don't benefit from unfucking it.

R3D3-1 t1_j9l4gdf wrote on February 22, 2023 at 7:40 PM

Tried reading the transcript of yesterdays speech on the Kreml website. It reads like a mixture of a nationalist fever dream ^("the west has been continously running destroy-Russia politics since the 19th century" - as if "the west" even has been a thing for that long), combined with passages that make me think "yes, that was actually fucked up Western politics" (e.g. war on terror, the way military interventions are accepted against governments considered evil and corrupt, etc., or how handling of public figures with pro-Russian opinions actually is in conflict with our own ideals of liberal democracy).